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Fuck Neck Face
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This happened on the roof of my art studio.
Here's Manny, the Super in the newspaper article, telling me how it went down... and how bad he wanted to wring Neckface's neck.
Art genius or pain in the 'Neck Face'?
By MELISSA GRACE
Graffiti by Neck Face irks Manny Suarez, Williamsburg building super of 65 Hope St.
Last Tuesday marked the fourth time since January the high-profile tagger spray-painted his street name across the sixth-floor facade of 65 Hope St.
Scrawled three times in a row in big, black letters, "NECK FACE" was visible from the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway.
"I'm really p----- off - it's all the time," said building super Manny Suarez, who spent two hours dangerously perched off the roof to paint over the markings. "I really don't care who he is - he has no right to vandalize this building."
Graffiti, which is illegal, creates notoriety for vandals that can translate into commercial success in the art world.
"Neck Face tagged our building. He's everywhere," said an impressed artist who lives in the building.
Other area residents were disgusted.
"I hate that crap," said artist Peter Caine, whose artwork is on display at PS 1. "It's just dirtying up our environment."
Cops have more than doubled the number of graffiti arrests so far this year - 1,741 in 2005 compared with 913 arrests at this time last year, officials said. Police attributed the jump to an initiative that boosted the number of cops assigned to the anti-graffiti squad.
To his frustration, Suarez unwittingly watched his nemesis get away - again.
"If I'd known it was him he wouldn't have been Neck Face - he would have been in the hospital with a red face!" Suarez growled.
Thinking that a furtive figure he saw was a tenant's guest, Suarez watched the man scurry down the building's outside staircase at 1:30 a.m.
Besides spray-painting the building, Neck Face also left his mark on a giant billboard on the roof and under an advertisement for a television show, "Wanted."
While there is no proof Neck Face is the culprit who struck on Hope St., Los Angeles gallery owner Marsea Goldberg, who has displayed his art, had no doubt it was him.
"It's him," said Goldberg who would not reveal the artist's real name. "He's an enfant terrible."
The 20-year-old graffiti writer has struck repeatedly from Tokyo to San Francisco to Manhattan's lower East Side and Brooklyn.
Considered the most recent graffiti writer to cross into the mainstream, Neck Face paints colorful, heavy-metal gothic monsters and has a strong following.
Goldberg offered up some advice to the aggrieved Suarez.
"He should hold on to [the graffiti]; it's valuable," said Goldberg, who sold a mural by Neck Face to a collector for $5,000.
Originally published on September 7, 2005
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jeff: 9th Sep 2005 - 20:11 GMT
i can understand why the super's mad at neckface - that's his livelihood. but "artist Peter Caine"? i can't imagine why a working artist couldn't at least see the playful side in neckface's work. especially going so far as to provide angry quotes for a newspaper article. "crap"? what about pushing the boundaries? is his idea of art limited to painting cows in a pasture? the word that comes to mind about "artist peter caine" is wanker.
i dunno, what do you think peter?
ea: 9th Sep 2005 - 20:44 GMT
I notice you didnt ask for MY opinion....hehe
and I'm not convinced it's just one person. since it looks so unoriginal, maybe it's just turned into a logo. like everybody posts OBEY stickers...
iknowsanddobutyou'dneverguess: 9th Sep 2005 - 21:29 GMT
Have you seen more of his stuff than his tags? if you dont think his tags are art, see the rest of his work. he pushed boundaries in other ways. And yes, it's one person. OBEY is Shepherd Fairey's deal, but he gets help. He's an exception though. writers just really do put in that much work.
ea: 9th Sep 2005 - 21:40 GMT
yep I was just talkin about the nametags in regard to the quoted article. too bad they're so much more notorious than anything else, it doesn't help spread the street art love or convert any cynics.
jeeff: 9th Sep 2005 - 22:23 GMT
i'm just curious cuz peter's our "man on the scene".
not all art is about converting cynics. i don't think james joyce's ulysses has won over too many of the masses, but it's still widely touted as the best novel of the 20th century. i've never managed to finish it.
my main point is that the artist quoted, by passing judgement on what is or isn't art, is denegrating himself as a hack. or at best, an art critic. it's cool to say what you like or what you don't, but to state that something is "crap" is a mistake. especially an artist should know that beauty's in the eye of the beholder.
as for neckface specifically, why is he so notorious? is it just the outlandish places that he tags? if so, i'd say dr. sex would be world famous by now. in fact, in a world full of taggers who endlessly copy each other's style, neckface is totally original. the fact that he's gained notoriety by throwing all the "aesthetics" of tagging out the window is kind of inspiring, i think. i only like his work so-so, but i'm glad he's doing it.
jeeff: 10th Sep 2005 - 08:27 GMT
i agree with both versions. tho that might make me an aging gen-xer ;) i wouldn't fuck with manny.
fuzzytank: 12th Sep 2005 - 07:15 GMT
yes i have seen the rest of his work, and after reading the interviews... i hope he can skate better than he can paint
if not hes gonna have a LOT of broken bones
my annoyance: the Hype ignores his lack of skill
more living proof that just cause its in a gallery dosent mean a damn thing
Im not sayin hes missing heart, but gettin up in difficult places and being prolific still cant cover the fact that there is a substantial lack of concept and skill.
half of me wants the guy to catch him an kick his ass, but the rest knows it will just increase the selling point of his 'paintings' which are already pushing a ridiculous 5g's
Peter: 12th Sep 2005 - 16:15 GMT
jeeff: why is neckface so notorious? well, how can i put this delicately... he had a few very visible ups in some really hot spots in brooklyn. add a few graf-scenester/williamsburg hipsters who flicked them for their blogs, and whammo! you have neckface appearing online alot more than he does in real time. he paints a few choice spots (with images that look like he lifted them from slayer album cover art), has osme connections to do some clothing and design, and blammo, its hte next basquiat! or thats what the media likes to think. they love "crossover" artists around here.
as for dr. sex, that kid is notorious! if you havent heard of his exploits in bombing manned cop cars and highway streetsigns during rush hour traffic, then you might have heard about his widely publicized cat-and-mouse game that culminated both in his doing $2mil "damage" to california highways... then his subsequent arrest, heh.
the difference is that dr. sex is a graf writer with some fame. neckface is a School of Visual Arts dropout who decided that quick money and fame could come from throwing up his tag alot. which apparently is true. not judging him here, just giving a different POV.
Anonymous (ool-435333a8.dyn.optonline.net): 30th Sep 2005 - 19:10 GMT
i've seen that van parked in brooklyn on north six
Peter Caine: 3rd Oct 2005 - 00:01 GMT
It's crap. It like "T peenig" someones House. Its peoples house's and stores.
Peter Caine: 3rd Oct 2005 - 01:58 GMT
One other thing- His gallery stuff is OK, just OK, nothing new. And It dont push anything. Ive seen the same shit on the bottom of skate boards. He will never be known for anything but defaceing property unless he can find a way to reinvent him self.
jeeff: 3rd Oct 2005 - 04:34 GMT
seems like marcel duchamp made a pretty elegant refutation of the "that's not art, it's crap!" argument wayyyyy back in 1917:
i've always thought he prefigured modern graffiti a bit with the signature on everyday object too.
the problem with you, peter caine, is that if you can dictate to someone else what is/isn't art, it follows that some authority can dictate the same thing to you. if we didn't have artists pushing the boundaries of "art" then we'd all still be stuck looking at church-sanctioned scenes from the bible. that might suit you. if so, better to call yourself a craftsman than an artist.
Peter Caine: 3rd Oct 2005 - 23:36 GMT
The differnce between duchamp and this idiot is not even close. Duchamp was doing something new. He is not pushing anything New,its old and every kid with a spray can can do it. You most likey think his real great cause You are coved in Tattoos. Tagging some ones building just lacks sophistiction and shows a lack of respect. It coast people Money
Peter Caine: 4th Oct 2005 - 02:16 GMT
Bottom line- Its childish, I cant waste anymore time at this blog.
elaine: 4th Oct 2005 - 06:41 GMT
jeeff, i didn't know you were 'coved' in tattoos, and i am impressed if peter caine can tell from where he is sitting - maybe you got yourself a stalker?
Peter: 4th Oct 2005 - 13:47 GMT
"peter caine", youre a wanker. check the title of this article... "fuck neckface". many of us agree with you- so i doint understand your point. i do understand that youre insulting other users here, and thats not cool. chill the fuck out or go away.
jamie: 4th Oct 2005 - 18:33 GMT
How exactly does one become coved in tattoos? also: yeah chillax peter caine dude. take a vicodin.
Angry Detractor: 4th Oct 2005 - 18:37 GMT
Artist Peter Caine (right) with art dealer Bill Brady at ATM*, Sept. 10, 2004
* ass to mouth
Peter Caine: 5th Oct 2005 - 00:11 GMT
I am good looking and I could use a Vicodin if you have one.
Peter Caine: 5th Oct 2005 - 00:21 GMT
Thats right coverd in tattoos, and to be differnt you all put a baseball cap on back wards. You all have whats called Pazazzzzz
Peter Caine: 5th Oct 2005 - 00:42 GMT
One last thing- Peter is a punk and so is jeef. Angery D is just a Neck face wanta- bee. You 3 are just as retarded and the king of defaceing buildings. just as sophmoric, just as lost and going no place. Get on your skate boards and ride, the x-games are just around the corner. Dude
Gay for neck face: 5th Oct 2005 - 01:12 GMT
I would like to corn hole neck face, I think he's cute. I like fudge
Neck Face: 5th Oct 2005 - 02:12 GMT
Peter caine is very wise. I will put down my spray can tonight, never to deface a wall again.
naj: 5th Oct 2005 - 03:26 GMT
yo. is this ESL party for real?
but seriously why is it that neckface is taken to task for a "lack of talent", rather than acknowledged for cultivating his own style. i would hate to think that graffiti an artform fed by freedom has become so strict, "if you dont do certain letter forms then you aren't a real writer". maybe i'm reading too much into it.
whatever the case...peter caine is a toy in the worst way.
jeeff: 5th Oct 2005 - 05:35 GMT
i just noticed peter's long comment up there that i missed before. good to hear a new yorker's perspective on these things. as someone from outside new york, i have a different perspective. i tend to see photos of his tags from outside nyc. the international angle makes it more interesting to me. almost like part of the art to fly all the way to tokyo and tag things. (i've really been enjoying above's graffiti travelogue on woostercollective too - www.woostercollective.com/2005/09/aboves-european-travels-2005-vienna.html) but i guess it depends on perspective.
jeeff: 5th Oct 2005 - 05:39 GMT
and peter caine: yes my example was old. this argument is old. that was the point.
Peter: 5th Oct 2005 - 13:36 GMT
Go back to england you stupid wigger.
uh, im a new yorker, thanks. but hahaha. you are a funny little troll.
Peter: 5th Oct 2005 - 13:59 GMT
lol! Brooklyn Chav Massive!
Peter Caine: 5th Oct 2005 - 15:29 GMT
a haiku is 15 year old from a "broken Home". Are you looking for a big Brother? I know your dad and you uncle most liky had sex with you from an early age. Im just not interested. Maybe you can write micheal Jackson a letter, he likes screwed up little kids. Mabey you and neck face can get adopted by Jackson. Im sure when he see's Neck faces work he will want to put it in his home. Jackson has good taste.
jamie: 5th Oct 2005 - 15:58 GMT
if you're not interested, then why ask? Are you being deliberately confrontational to prove some kind of point? or are you just a twat?
Peter Caine: 5th Oct 2005 - 17:14 GMT
My last post- jamie I dont care
Peter: 5th Oct 2005 - 17:30 GMT
"peter caine", did you not notice that most of us here agree with you re: neckface's "art"? duh.
Jamie: 5th Oct 2005 - 19:30 GMT
Yeh "Peter Caine" We pretty much agree with you. What i think we don;t agree with is your fucking attitude. You big spastic.
Peter Caine: 5th Oct 2005 - 21:10 GMT
I am Back
Neck Face: 6th Oct 2005 - 00:34 GMT
Thanks ape man, I apriciate the suport. I would like to thank Peter Caine most of all for his advice.
Brad Smith: 6th Oct 2005 - 03:22 GMT
I dont now if I can keep jerkin it, it hurts bad and Im bleeding. All I can think about is the sweet smell of Krylon. I am weak. I keep thinking people wont like me unless Iam Neck face. This is the hardest thing I have ever done. This weekend I will go to a Army recurter and see if i can inlist. I hope they will make a man of me and get this monkey off my back. I just hope they still have the "dont ask ,dont tell" policy ,cause me and a- haiku had sex last night and it was pretty good. I never new haveing sex with a young Boy from Japan could be that good. It was strange, after we made love in the butt, he farted and it smelled like rice,Brown rice. Im confused cause all I think about is that sweet brown rice smell,then I start jerking it and that Krylon smell happens. It real hard to give up the things you love.
vz: 6th Oct 2005 - 04:17 GMT
that will be a post for the ages... and the people who drop in from time to time to look for sixy pictures will never leave disappointed again.
Peter: 6th Oct 2005 - 16:10 GMT
Peter Caine's art:
boston bomber: 6th Oct 2005 - 19:05 GMT
neck face is a toy and his canvases are on Jean MichelBasquait's. fucking biter.
will: 6th Oct 2005 - 19:37 GMT
Neck face is raping graffitti. he is riding the wave of graff and using the medium to try and cetch some fame. he didnt put in work or spend years trying to improve his skills, he has no respect for graff. what he is doing is not graff. its heartless and empty. he will either fade away or get hemmed up and the world will forget about him. he doesnt know shit about graff, he didnt grow up on that shit he didnt watch it evolve, all he did was jump into the game head first and abuse it and give it a worse name then it already has. he makes us look bad. he is defenetly not pushing shit, there is no talent in his hands just another stupid art fag who decidet to pick up a can of spraypaint and attempt to be "cool" he is ruining it for the rest of us. fuck em.
Neck Face: 6th Oct 2005 - 19:53 GMT
Oct. 6 2006
Peter Caine: 6th Oct 2005 - 20:00 GMT
Boston bomber, have at it. Museum have insurance. besides i can fix any thing. maybe it will look better?
ronald p finklestein: 6th Oct 2005 - 20:01 GMT
neckface you bitch, you little whore you broke my heart!!! u told me you loved me then you go parading whats mine around town with a little jap kid? flusy. remember???i was Thor your god of thunder and you were my little honey suckle.
Neck Face: 6th Oct 2005 - 20:11 GMT
Boston Bomber- you sound like a tuff guy. I like tuff guys. Thats why I think Manny the Supper is so hot. post a picture of your self, I like Fudge games, what do you like? I am 20 years old and a Tarus, whats your sign??? My turn on's are sunny days, ice cream and kites. My turn offs are angrey people, rainy days and insects (spiders watch out) How about you? lets get to know each other. Friends?
Peter Caine: 6th Oct 2005 - 20:20 GMT
Boston Butt hole- the only thing is, You have no balls. Thats why you run around on you skate board at night. OOOH what a bad boy you are!
wooly huevos: 6th Oct 2005 - 20:37 GMT
mmmm.... i love all you mexxxican trannies... please hum the 'mexican hat dance' song while i'm balls deep in your piehole again, that was the best... and for the new guy/girl/whatever: i'll let you simultaneously suck on my taint, but you have to hum 'la cucaracha'..... xoxoxo
ThatNigga: 6th Oct 2005 - 21:19 GMT
Neckface is garbage. Learn how to write. And how the fuck is stickfigures and 3rd grade handwriting art?
Peter Lame: 6th Oct 2005 - 21:25 GMT
Hey Peter Caine, neckface might be toy but you sir are a tonka-built corn-dog card-carrying duck. After seeing your picture, all I can think is, "Who's the little dog making all that big noise?"
Be careful, I know some of these graffiti cats and you don't want a war with them. Not all of them carry skateboards if you catch my drift. They may show up at your next "art" exhibit and steal you in the face for living. I know you may not understand my words, and that just proves you probably deserve it. The streets are watching, Dudley DoRight. You just bit off a bit more than you can chew little doggie.
This ain't a threat, just an observation. Don't get your panties all in a bunch. Just keep on making that stuff you call art. I sense a twinge of racism in your words and your "art" with the picaninny blackface and exaggerated lips and eyes. You should have your therapist look into some of this anger and repressed hate before it gets you fucked up. You live in Brooklyn, not some compound in Oregon.
Peter Caine: 6th Oct 2005 - 23:27 GMT
Peter Lame- You street kids are real tuff. And if you new me, or any thing about the stuff I make you would now I have never called it art. Other people call it art. I make things, some times i work on my car; Its all the same. And Yes, You dumb fucking idiot ,its about racism. That dont mean it racist.
Peter Caine: 6th Oct 2005 - 23:33 GMT
I dont know whos dumber Boston bomber or Peter Lame. Have to be one in the same. You cant be 21. You better go eat before your mom gets mad at you. Your momie do your laundry too?
Neck Face: 6th Oct 2005 - 23:44 GMT
Tonight I will show a-hauki how to fart on his hands and smell his fingers. early today I found a pair of my mother's dirty underwear and i activated the skid mark by licking it. I am still Gay, right? My mom is a girl, and I do live with her just like peter Lame.
Rodney King: 6th Oct 2005 - 23:49 GMT
Thatniggas right. But lets all do that thing tonight at 12:00 thinking good thoughts and say a prayer for good old Gay neck face. The biggest joke of D'aTaggin world.
Anonymous (dialup-184.108.40.206.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net): 7th Oct 2005 - 00:22 GMT
Let me be clear. I do not hate Grafti art. I own 3 Dalek paintings they hang on my wall.
Peter caine: 7th Oct 2005 - 00:26 GMT
That last post was mine. I got the idea when i ran out of tolite paper. It takes a few pages of the good book, I cant wait to wipe my butt with the Karon
Peter: 7th Oct 2005 - 00:38 GMT
neck face: I used to not be much of a fan. now I think I love you.
peter caine: I'm definitey coming to your next nyc show and saying hi. ill be the guy in the silly hat.
hool: 7th Oct 2005 - 00:56 GMT
i feel embarassed for and confused by those who post as artists or makers of stuff, yet cannot communicate in the most basic visual medium (text). i'm not talking about poor spelling, althought "Im more than a littel smarter than you" was particularly funny. text is a visual medium. words are visual art. if you cannot communicate through the most basic of visual mediums, your ability to communicate in more complicated ones is highly suspect.
the execution of most of the tagging i see is quite craptacular. i understand the negative reaction to it. but i also understand the compulsion to tag, to project your name out into public space. i see it as an act of resistance, conscious or not, against the proliferation of idealized lifestyles shoved into our eye sockets by adverts every time we step out of our home. don't like the identity being marketed to you? market your own. most ads are ugly, hence so are most tags.
if you disagree with anything i've said, i will kick your ass at recess.
Peter caine: 7th Oct 2005 - 01:26 GMT
I think that makes sense, but words or the writen word is not a true visual language. A topigraphical map, or a road map, Yes. Words are differnt. Words when writen only mean one thing one. However when spoken can mean differnt things. A map is interprated, or a painting like the spokein word can mean differnt things to differnt people. Thats language.
Peter caine: 7th Oct 2005 - 01:31 GMT
hool- The funniest is every time I told some one to shut up case I was smarter, they did. They might be 17 and frighten easy
Peter caine: 7th Oct 2005 - 02:51 GMT
barry: 7th Oct 2005 - 02:54 GMT
hey citynoise Neck face an Peter caine will keep you's here for ever talking bayonne! Farting on hands,smelling fingers,licking mothers dirty under wear, WOW. The two guys are not playing with a full deck.
elaine: 7th Oct 2005 - 08:09 GMT
i see your peter caine and raise you jake and dinos chapman images.google.co.uk/images?q=jake+and+dinos+chapman&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
Editor: 7th Oct 2005 - 11:25 GMT
Peter Caine: read citynoise.org/post.php for instructions on how to post an article of your very own right here on citynoise. we'd love to see some of your shit.
Peter (not caine): 7th Oct 2005 - 13:22 GMT
gotta second wanting to see some of peter caine's or neck face's shizza.
elaine: 7th Oct 2005 - 13:28 GMT
peter, you are like a battered wife, addicted to the slapping - step away from the thread! ;-D
Neck Face: 7th Oct 2005 - 15:38 GMT
I was sittin on my moms couch is morning eating cereal and my Mom's cat sat down beside me. I got a boner. I feel kinda strange about it cause then i jerk it with the cat sitting next to me.
Neck Face: 7th Oct 2005 - 17:01 GMT
My mom is realy pissed off. I had wiped the jizz off on my moms curtains and she come home and started screaming at me "What the hell is this" I told her it was Elmers Glue.
ThatNigga: 7th Oct 2005 - 22:49 GMT
Everyone on this page is stupid. Looking at this is like looking at a trainwreck.
Graffiti is more of a sport than art, but Neckface is still a joke in the graffiti world.
Peter caine: 7th Oct 2005 - 23:22 GMT
Your right no one can win a fight aganst 10 people. And 2 little guy's can take one real big guy. More arms and legs dum ass. Its all on the web if you dig deep anuff.
Neck Face: 7th Oct 2005 - 23:33 GMT
I got fired from my job today. My boss is such a dick. I left my nose ring in, it was my 3rd warning.
Rodney King: 7th Oct 2005 - 23:46 GMT
Thatnigga Sounds sooooo cute! I love those tuff little white boys.
Neck Face: 8th Oct 2005 - 00:07 GMT
My step father Steve just put my neckless head behind his knee and squished it between his calf and thigh, then farted. My mom didnt even help me. One night Im going to get pissed off and stab him with a fork. Tonight me and A-haiku are Going "Clubin", Rip Taylor said he would meet us latter at his house. Rip has a lot of money , since I lost my job I think he might give me a job or maybe "Loan". If he give's me anuff money i will show my mom's husband who the boss is. I am sick of him picking on me cause I dont have a normal sized neck. Steve has a glass eye, if I ever get the chance i will skull fuck that prick. My mom is real hot and should have better. My mom shaves her pubic hair
Neck Face: 8th Oct 2005 - 01:28 GMT
A-haiku and I are at Kinko's. I appiled for a job. A- haiku is wearing his little sister's underwear and I am wearing my Mother's undies with her skid mark on them. It so much fun being Gay now!
you know who!: 8th Oct 2005 - 04:47 GMT
nasty neck boy, you were so hot at bay area now 4. shame you wore that ski-mask in the photos. and so sad you're gay now- what a loss for womankind worldwide :-(
ThatNigga: 8th Oct 2005 - 04:47 GMT
Who the fuck is a Robert Opal?
Peter caine: 8th Oct 2005 - 04:57 GMT
Your new name is Robert Oppel. Thats you.. get over it.
Rodney King: 8th Oct 2005 - 05:41 GMT
Graffiti is a sport? That is the stupidest thing I have ever read. Do you think it will be in the Olympics?
Peter caine: 8th Oct 2005 - 05:47 GMT
Ya a sport..Kids real bright. works out lifting Krylon. Got an "A" in gym class
Larrpix: 8th Oct 2005 - 05:53 GMT
I agree with P.C. Young, Dim.
Mr. Pfierfer: 8th Oct 2005 - 17:54 GMT
Known cain since 8th grade. He only weighs about 140, but know way this kid could do anything. When he was 15, Caine was second in the Nation.
Btwilliamson: 8th Oct 2005 - 19:36 GMT
Came over from Fecalface.com had to see for my self. Thatniggaw- caine's nuts dont tell them your name.
no: 8th Oct 2005 - 21:09 GMT
this is ridiculous.. i hate to see a good website get downgraded to childish insults and teenage retardness
id hate to say it.. but maybe there needs to be moderators on this thing
Neck Face: 8th Oct 2005 - 21:24 GMT
A-Haiku and I went to rip Taylors house last night about 3:oo am. Rip and I tied A- Haiku up, made him blow us and then burned him with a lighter. Boy it was fun!
minotaur: 8th Oct 2005 - 23:29 GMT
holy fuck! dumb fucks who don't know their ass from their face (aka "that nigga" and friends) are such chumps. y'all give a bad name to our game, kids.
graffiti is a sport?? HAHAHAHAHA! you don't know shit about shit, much less graf, you a punk tagger, son. way to let the world know, motherfucker.
up the neck face (i got yer back, bro). and peter caine, I never heard of you but your art is some pretty fine shit, as far as I can tell from here. keep on keepin on and standing strong for all y'all selves.
Peter caine: 9th Oct 2005 - 00:04 GMT
The last few days I ve realy been looking hard at stuff people do, tagging Gafti ect. The Good stuff is just so few and far between, If i was one of the few with talnet,thier are some that a good. I would want to take a roller and some stain kill with me to block out the Athletic few that have no creative talent and think of a form of expression as a sport. Each time you write your name, it makes it less important. If it looks like everyone else's then your just a Dog takeing a crap to mark his teritory.
Neck Face: 9th Oct 2005 - 00:29 GMT
The manager at Kinko's called, told me to bring in some I.D. so I guess I have another crapie Job. At least if Iam working at Kinko's I will be involved in the art world. My step dad steve wants me to pay rent for my room in the basement. I hate that fucker. Today he took out his galss eye out and left it in the kitchen while he took a shower. I put lemon juce on it and spayed it with Windex.
Neck Face: 9th Oct 2005 - 03:07 GMT
We are over at Rips house. Rip is still sleeping so we are going to just take some money and go to T.G.I.Fridays for some Potato skins. Rip has a car in the Garage, its like this computer;real old. The car is nice, i think we will ask Rip to barrow it for are trip to dig up Granpaw. Neither one of us has a Drivers License,but how hard can it be. I told A-haiku if he blows me on the way to fridays i will cut his hair when we get back. I think I will pick up some blond dye and make him look like Jodie Foster. I keep thinking of putting a glass rod up his weiner hole and smashing it with 2 bricks.
editor: 10th Oct 2005 - 05:52 GMT
neck, you gotta get jumped in. email! or send us grampa's cock so we know you are FOR REALS.
Neck Face: 11th Oct 2005 - 04:46 GMT
We just yanked Rip out of the pool wraped him up in a plastic tarp,cut some glory holes and then "plastic bag" fucked him.
Sargent Carter: 11th Oct 2005 - 04:53 GMT
Peter- post a picture of your self, for us not like Neck. Do you like to eat ice cream and fly kites? or take long romantic walks down Metroploitan Ave.? so us some skin
Neck Face: 11th Oct 2005 - 15:52 GMT
I got some magits on my dick from the dead dog. A-haiku thought if we fucked a smithfield smoked ham they would come off and stay on the ham. Ham is good stuff, its the same as fucking a dead pig. It worked too.
norm abram: 11th Oct 2005 - 15:54 GMT
fuck a pig! fuck a pig!
Peter caine: 11th Oct 2005 - 15:57 GMT
Peter- show us i picture of the wife, she sounds hot. We all will be respectful and not use a rateing system, cause that would be imature
Peter: 11th Oct 2005 - 16:28 GMT
lol, peter caine. lets keep our patriarchal hegemony in our pants, thanks. until then, feel free to walk-the-walk and post some photos of you or your own work...
Jingle Bell Rock: 12th Oct 2005 - 00:51 GMT
NECKFACE, OBEY, DR.SEX, LIFER, BANKSY, THE LONDON POLICE, MR. ANDRE, SPACE INVADER, GRAFFITI THIS, GRAFFITI THAT, WHOSE THE MAN IN AS THE BIG BAD BAT???
Neck Face: 12th Oct 2005 - 04:37 GMT
I like Xmas, this year i will rejoyce in my new found Gayness and blow a Department store Santa. Then i will take that Big bad Bat and bash his head in. Then skull fuck him with A-haiku watching, dressed like a Jap solder.
Neck Face: 13th Oct 2005 - 23:26 GMT
Buffed? what kinda hip hop crazy word is that? Buffed? whats some weird wild stuff
Peter caine: 15th Oct 2005 - 05:44 GMT
Its nice and white ready for some one to write neck face is Gay
Eric Ziegenhorn: 17th Oct 2005 - 02:49 GMT
I'm reading this thing from the beginning and I'm asking myself, did jeff right in the first entry deliberatey taunt Peter Caine to come out swinging? To make this exciting? Or is Peter Caine Neck Face and this is a publicity thing?
Peter caine: 17th Oct 2005 - 15:30 GMT
Its ture, I am an asswipe.
Ten Cents: 18th Oct 2005 - 18:19 GMT
I wouldnt argue that his stuff is kind of a gimmick, and i dont really like looking at it much either, but to me the most interesting thing about him and how his shit relates to graf and the art scene =
If this dude painted the exact same amount of the exact same spots in the exact same cities ... but was writing some conventional type of meaningless tag name like ZOR1 or KAZER or whatever ... with an arrow under it and a star at the end and a swirl underneath it ... he'd probably get 95% less attention than he's gotten ... both from other graffiti people and the art world alike. He'd fade right back into the landscape of however many hundreds of thousands of kids take the exact same approach. Which goes to show how his shit has become almost entirely about the fact that he attracted more attention than most other people who do virtually the same thing, and simply by doing it slightly different.
Whats even crazier is that he writes and chills with dudes who do "normal" graffiti (most of whom are approved of or at least not seen as ignorant of traditional graf by the same graf types who hate on him) proving he probably does know something about the style of graf he gets dissed for not doing.
How hard is it to come up with an average graffiti-tag style that meets some "non-toy" graf citeria anyway? Like do people look at JA and think "wow, that J and lowercase A are 100% acceptable in the graf rule book, and its so amazing that he does such acceptable graf instead of something i'd view as the result of a low level of talent" ..?
drunk sober: 18th Oct 2005 - 18:22 GMT
Artfags dont bomb, they do art projects and wear turtlenecks and eat cheese at art galleries
...: 18th Oct 2005 - 20:34 GMT
Wow Peter, you're 120% nerdburger. If I still lived in your area I'd make it a point to rob your tired ass.
Peter: 19th Oct 2005 - 23:32 GMT
"peter" or "peter caine"? were totally not the same person, dude. i know its hard for some people to believe that there could be two peters on this here internets. but its true. i bet there could be even four or more!
haiku fan: 20th Oct 2005 - 18:08 GMT
Damien Thorne: 22nd Oct 2005 - 18:23 GMT
What's up with the trash talk on Robert Oppel? The poor kid killed himself after he went to jail on a graffitti/ concealed weapon charge. I guess that's what happens when you sell your soul to the devil.
Graff tist: 22nd Oct 2005 - 18:27 GMT
At first I thought he was bullshit writin his real name but that does take some balls too bad that niggas dead. at least he ain't gonna be writin that pentagram devil shit on my wall no more.
mellisa7: 22nd Oct 2005 - 20:23 GMT
Yo Robert Oppel is the real honest graffitti shit. he was sexy and raw. his name was written out of pain and trying to get his shit out there. He was in movies and made a movie in brooklyn. i wish i could have sucked his dick!
Roc1@gmail.com: 22nd Oct 2005 - 20:28 GMT
Fuck Robert Oppel that satanic alcholic fuck painted his name on my apt. building and he was all aggressive and pissing on the street. he's a faggot booty selling fag, no wonder he has pain. i'm glad he's dead that fronting faggot fuck!!!!!
firstname.lastname@example.org: 22nd Oct 2005 - 22:25 GMT
Robert Oppel is alive and well. He is a messsiah to graffitti. Melissa you sound hot and on point with shit. Write me back if you wanna talk. Robert was a good friend of mine and he was angry but truthful and I helped bail him out of jail before he bit the bullet. He was a strong individual and I hope his name stays marked where it remains.
der67: 22nd Oct 2005 - 22:31 GMT
Robert Oppel was a sick fuck. That nigga lit my garden on fire with a cigarette. I don't care who he was or how famous he was he 's a destructive manipulative fuck. I'm also glad he's dead. I'd spit on his grave.
mellisa7: 22nd Oct 2005 - 22:33 GMT
Hey der67. You got some hate problems are you a repressed homosexual as well? I bet Robert Oppel's rolling out of his grave to skin you alive.
Shanizzal Fo Rizzal: 25th Oct 2005 - 22:23 GMT
Robert Oppel Is My Nigga. That Mo Fo Is my roommate. He didn't kill himself after the concieled weapons and graffiti charge. He just staged his own death to publicize his upcoming movie "my elephant named Gonzolez".
gsis: 25th Oct 2005 - 23:29 GMT
I say go 'neckface-
Peter caine: 3rd Nov 2005 - 05:58 GMT
Wow, peter cain your name is almost spelled like mine. Glad to hear your a Gay. Talk to the fag Neck face maybe he can help.
Xaostica: 3rd Nov 2005 - 23:09 GMT
Stop crying you gallery neutered girls! Neckface has done his thing and all you can do is knock him for lack of talent or for doing something already done! What is really going on is that your still in the studio with your degree getting no attention and some other guy, a dropout, who you think lacks what you have is getting the attention. Let me tell you, sitting in a "studio" painting a piece of fabric has also been done, and many times over.
You donít agree with his work, you donít agree with his methods, you donít agree with his talent, you donít agree with his attention, and you donít agree with the connections and money making options he has.
It's a sad sight when a grown man is angry that another grown man is getting something he's not. Judging from the frustrations and stance in this article and comments, Iíll bet you never got this much attention before trying to knock Neckface down.
If you were such an expert on things that people are doing or have done, why don't you go out and do something new? Quit bellyaching and show the world that square in your cube already!
Maybe it's time the gallery culture wakes up? No more trying to lobby through a network of friends and finance trying to get gallery space. No more expecting a dime for your work because unless somebody asked, you are probably not getting paid. Stop expecting years of hard work and time wasted in some art class to be the needed steps in acquiring "fame" "fortune" or "artist status". If you spent more time paying attention to the world around us, you might see a people that are over-stimulated with so much information that one must fight for an audience. Realize now that people have so many options to kill time, that unless you can capture them in the real world, nobody is going to look!
Neckface is not your problem, but society. Realize that and maybe you can get the attention that you think you deserve. Maybe that attention would be positive? Lemme put it like this, who do you want respect from? City council? Are you a politician or an artist?
Make up your mind and stop trying to knock other people down. Contrary to ignorant conception, it does not get you any higher. So! Get off your ass and climb motherfucker; you got more important things to worry about.
Oh yeah, keep up the good threats. You might beat the talent out of some young graffiti artists but one day somebody will buff you.
Peter caine: 4th Nov 2005 - 07:24 GMT
Xaostcia- Wow I been acused of writting crazed diotribes (spelled Phoneticly like a Grafti artest) but Wow! your nuts. Are you the real neck face? Im not attacking you, you just seem like the real thing.
Xaostica: 4th Nov 2005 - 14:59 GMT
Am I the real neckface? No. I'd pay a dime for one of his drawings, I find his work crude. It reminds me of a kids sketch book displayed onto buildings. Kinda cute but nothing I would hold against him.
Your right about graffiti, cept it's not just "graffiti" thats bad. Art be it in a gallery or not is the forerunning influence on graffiti. Art in general is crap and I fell the same about "art" I find in galleries. You are right, anybody can pick up a paint medium and paint, but not just scribble on walls, but on canvass aswell.
dipshit: 8th Nov 2005 - 05:06 GMT
yeah i've met the guy through a close mutual friend. hes a fuckin cock-smoke. stuck up is putting it nicely. hes going to far with this. his 15 minutes are up. . nuff said.
Peter caine: 15th Nov 2005 - 01:01 GMT
Xaostica- Hay shit hole,Its a well known fact that I dont have a Degree. I came from the US military. Its sounds more like your the jealous one, and your talking about yourself.
Xaostica: 15th Nov 2005 - 03:25 GMT
Well known fact you say? Kinda like when somebody says "Dude, you hear about that really famous (fill in BS)?" I just heard all this bitchin about neckface.
Xaostica: 15th Nov 2005 - 03:28 GMT
joe: 9th Feb 2006 - 19:28 GMT
how does it cost lots of money to remove graffiti? go down to the paint store and buy a 4 dollar bucket of white paint and a roller. pussys.
poops: 5th Mar 2006 - 23:11 GMT
peter caine, how does it feel to be a target? U need to keep your mouth shut. You may have coverage, you cant replace your garbage you claim as art.2o2s2f2
Rick Dean: 24th Apr 2006 - 04:17 GMT
What's up with the Robert Oppel tags? Nigga using his name takin all that time no wonder he got busted
CHORO: 22nd May 2006 - 23:07 GMT
Peter Caine - The boy with the boxing gloves jumping in the puddle has been there for almost a year now, it is a self portrait. It is a good coninsidence that your green wall loked like a good place to paste it. You sould post a picture of it, I had no idea it was still up.
chiamattt: 17th Jul 2006 - 05:23 GMT
See? Art IS wonderful. No matter how good or bad it is. In my opinion neckface is pretty boring stuff, but if people are talking about it, then he/she has our attention. Art is supposed to get the juices and emotions flowing, no matter how rude or obnoxious they may be.
My opinion is, if the people are talking, they aren't sitting around just listening. Everyone should make some art and everyone should talk about it.
chiamattt: 17th Jul 2006 - 05:26 GMT
Oh and Peter Caine, don't be dissin the skunk bud man. Seriously.
N3CK_ONE : 11th Aug 2006 - 03:14 GMT
Anyway neckface rocks and peter caine does not.
john: 22nd Sep 2006 - 13:22 GMT
I heard that neckface and Gregg Griffin are fighting because Griff has been going around New York crossing out necks tages. If you are a neckface hater you should like Griffin at Blah Blah Gallery.
rev roger: 1st Oct 2006 - 01:00 GMT
i think alot of you people take yourselfs way to fucking seriously its like being in high school all over again,jealousy over who is making money and whos not in the art biz.fuck.. for once im happy that low brow art is finally going places,alot of you people are bitching about the simplicity of his work while on the other im pretty sure some of ya fucks are the people are the types that paint bullshit shapes and patterns or perhaps(vomit rising towards throat) a fucking white square on some white canvas artist.i believe in art for arts sake and i think graffiti and street art is one of the purest forms of that.i know its a bitch when you want make a living off of your art and see someone that is not really puting effort in their work making money when your starving to death,but for fucks sake what gave you the impression that making some bread off of art was easy.i never got in to art for money and i have alot of respect for people risking their lives for something they enjoy to do.as far as the manny situation goes,it does suck to have your building vandalized and have to pay for it however you ignorant fuck you live in new york the city that birthed graffiti to the rest of the world of course your fucking building is going to be covered with graffiti.as for the rest of you....get over your fucking selfs.
benji: 13th Oct 2006 - 13:58 GMT
"Cops have more than doubled the number of graffiti arrests so far this year - 1,741 in 2005 compared with 913 arrests at this time last year" - huh? my maths isnt that good, but...
this is the funniest thread ive read in ages... Peter caine will you take my hand in marriage?
mellisa7: 12th Nov 2006 - 02:50 GMT
Robert Oppel's not dead. Some asshole posted that he killed himself in jail, that's not true.
RAT: 21st Nov 2006 - 00:10 GMT
NECKFACE IS ALEX MONTIJO from stockton california his dad RUDY MONTIJO he own's ELCAMINO TIRES 3 stores in stockton and one in lodi he sould pay for all of alex's defacing give them a call
xtian: 11th Jan 2007 - 02:46 GMT
The first Neck Face "piece" I saw was on North 7th in Bedford, an old garage door with "Beat Your Kids" or something...it's probably still there. Graffiti is so played out. I'm so sick of Williamsburg/LES kids with a pen/can who think they are artists and leave their skid marks everywhere. Maybe I'm a purist...but Neck Face is to graffiti what Blink 182 is to punk music...a sad vestige. What ever happened to technique?
forecastmazy: 12th Feb 2007 - 08:45 GMT
what has neckface done that's even art besides writing his name? Everything is not art. But that's just how I see it. Anyhow, if the guy can make cash off just that he's certainly more clever than most in the financial realm.
Nivo VanDolow: 6th Nov 2007 - 22:52 GMT
Dude This is funny I all most died!!!!!!!!! But It was going to happen to u sooner or later.
JOEY THE PUBLIC ANIMALS: 29th Nov 2007 - 09:41 GMT
Neck Face Rocks. Guy gets up. He has ballz. Goes places most are afraid to go.
PLUSHMONSTER :): 10th Dec 2007 - 00:10 GMT
everyone here has to realize that art is all about expression.Neck face is good at writing on walls, and peter caine is cood at ummmmmmmm.......... sculpting naked santas getting raped by people.The bottom line is that you sholdnt be hating anyone cuz there doing what they wanna do.
STRANGLENECKFACE: 22nd Feb 2008 - 16:42 GMT
Art or not ( I don't care if its Van Gogh himself) you have NO right to use OTHER peoples property as your canvas. Let him go write all over his parents house.
skip: 26th Feb 2008 - 00:02 GMT
art has always been about expression, and this is why most graffiti is plain vandalism.writing a tag and some crew under it has no expression.there are a few graffiti artists that used/use expression. heres a few of them: SAMO(jean michael basqait RIP), neck face( not the ones shown up here, but if you google his work youll see some nice stuff),abe jr, PLUSH MONSTER (not sure if he is the one that commented on this; that might be some wannabe. He does stickers EVERYWHERE in nyc, incorporating collages and mixed media to show expression. his stuff has also popped up alot around chelsea. he has also been painting plush monster in dripping yellow paint alot around dumbo. his stuff has been coming up for a couple years now.), and of course andy warhol.
nobody: 26th Feb 2008 - 00:13 GMT
andy warhol was a "graffiti artist"? and who the fuck is plush monster? youre prolly him, some toy tryina talk himself up online. im nyc born and bred and never heard of him. step off.
neckface rox fuck u bitch ass artists: 3rd Apr 2008 - 21:20 GMT
fuck u peter caine u r a fuckin faggot. the only reason y u hate neckface is because u suck at painting. u dont do anything good. u sit in a god damn house and paint he tries 2 get places and climb he has balls
sanspoint:: 11th Apr 2008 - 00:42 GMT
I used to like Neckface before he drew on the AIDS awareness mural in Sydney. That was shitty.
JD: 12th Apr 2008 - 06:52 GMT
FUCK THAT TAGGER DICK FACE NECK FACE!! FUCKING QUEER BATE! COME OUT TO CALIFORNIA & YOU WOULD GET STOMPED ON U FAG BAR QUEEN!!
skippy oner: 30th Apr 2008 - 21:22 GMT
yo neck face sucks.he got no handstyles, he just draws lil pictures on the wall and says hes a writer. last year he got caught by v sqaud, and they give 20 percent off your fines if you tell em bout some other writers info. he snitched out aber, made him pay 190000 in fines. hes prolly the dude that snitched drap to.now both got bagged, with fines. aber is gettin back out, but DBK is puttin him up more. neck face is a snitch. someone should snitch him. his names alex montijo, his dads mad rich.hope he gets caught.
TJ Dunn: 13th Aug 2008 - 21:14 GMT
"I bet iam in the Whitney befor fuckface or any one else wastein time talking about this fool. You all just waste your time on this Planet, just kill your self now,your breathing my air"
Whoa bro. Why so hostile?
K: 29th Aug 2008 - 16:28 GMT
I was gonna give these pure maggots fifty percent of this nation since fifty percent actually are willing to infest this continent with their dogma. Now I think we should just put the zionist/neocolonial type regimes in America on probation and give them a choice:
They can wear a replica of my dick around their neck from 9 to 5, and make sure that they syncronize the world of my nuts in their mouth.
If they complain about this, then they need their medicine, and they can be put on SSI.
your all queers.: 3rd Oct 2008 - 04:54 GMT
i hope you guys have noticed neck face is probably taging some shit right now and he dosent give a shit what any of you have to say. and damn. if manny every fucks with neckface hes screwed. the kids deep in the baker team. your all crying like little bitches cause this kid probably tagged your house or something and honestly yu cant do anything about it
The Dark Messenger Of Truth: 7th Feb 2009 - 02:01 GMT
Poor Peter Caine. He actually really might be gay. His fascination with it is basically an admission. The only problem here is that he thinks being gay is a BAD thing. By believing that it is a bad thing... he goes against everything he claims to be. As for Neck Face? I think the stuff is funny... I like some of the newer watercolors he's doing... Call it what you will and you definitely don't have to like it, but you're talking about it a whole hell of a lot and that's exactly what Neck Face wants... Because you see... for him, ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY.
superduper: 25th Mar 2009 - 10:58 GMT
the super is retarded, instead of painting over it, he should have supplemented his income by removing any neckface surfaces and placing it on ebay for the japanese money morons to purchase, super makes $25K a year, sells a two original neckface pieces for 10K, then doubles his yearly income, laughing all the way to the bank.
TheCatieMarie: 8th Jul 2009 - 04:34 GMT
Neckface is a badass. Admit it.
destro: 5th Aug 2009 - 01:00 GMT
neckface is a hipster who likes to see his name up. he isnt into graff, hes into makin people laugh. stop being serious, the reason he's gettin so much attention is cause u people love to hate. i dont like his shit at all, but when i do see it it cracks me up. funny dude causin a ruckus
anon (c-71-232-224-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net): 3rd Feb 2010 - 02:19 GMT
you guys really dont understand. when you critisize neckface he doesnt care at all. he doesnt want to be an artist, hes just a fucked up kinda guy who is weird. hes not trying to do anything with his art he just likes creeping people out and offending them. you know like NECKFACE BEAT YOUR KIDS!!!
lovend: 1st May 2010 - 16:41 GMT
I just sent this post to a bunch of my friends as I agree with most of what youíre saying here and the way youíve presented it is awesome.
appleseed: 9th May 2010 - 02:21 GMT
This article is a prime example of how the art world is molested by the artists with no desire but to make money, it's a sad reality.
Woodside: 29th Nov 2010 - 20:33 GMT
Wow... I am speechless. Peter Caine, you really seem to be quite the art theorist. I too consider anything outside of my realm of understanding "crap". Wether he vandalizes buildings or not, NeckFace has an amazingly unique style. Wether it's intentional or resulting from a lack of skill is irrelevant. And yes, this type of graffiti does address the same issues as Duchamp's work. Do you know why? Because the art world is full of people like you.
xnyxca: 30th Nov 2010 - 04:52 GMT
This train of thought has been going on for 5 years! What happened to Neck face, Peter Caine, peter cain, and the rest of the homophobic artist-wannabees? Poor Manny the Super, I wouldn't want to have to keep climbing up the building to paint over the NeckFace crap! If he didn't, your building would look like some fucked up shit from the South Bronx in the 1970s. Is that cool? And isn't it so expressive??
peter cocaine: 19th Apr 2012 - 17:43 GMT
so it turns out when peter was in the military he was violently raped.. hectic.
Kevin Kadafi: 26th Apr 2012 - 11:49 GMT
"art is meant to disturb" -Georges Braque
(I think the kids a genius by the way.)
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