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About Convents

- jack - Friday, September 8th, 2006 : goo

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no pictures but i want to relate a little story about a convent of cloistered dominican nuns who were living in newark in a monastery over 100 years old. i know i have some pics somewhere and when i find them i will post them. two nuns at that convent are personnal friends of mine. they always pray for me and believe me i need it. the older nun, sister mary magdeline, told me she went into this monastery when she was 20 in 1940. here is the story as she related it to me. "well jack i came here a young girl and i remember it was sometime in the early 50's, perhaps, 1952 when a young beautiful girl came to the monastery. she was a novice and around her second year here she became very sick. she never complained, sought pity but rather just worked and performed her duties. praying constantly, she was one of the holiest girls i have ever seen. she died that year and we placed her in the tomb beneath this convent. two weeks ago we were packing everything up for our move to michigan, and some of us had to go into the tomb to gather the bones and dust of the dead sisters for internment at another burial site. we went to this sisters casket and we found her in one peice and as beautiful as the day she died 54 years ago. we stood her up alongside her casket and took off the shreds of fabric and placed on her a new habit. we laid her back down and her incorrupt body is being transfered to another burial site." this is a true story. by the way there are two types of nuns, the brides of Christ are cloistered away in monasteries and are nuns who made vows to God. the other sisters are nuns who teach in schools and make their vows to the local bishop and wear the habit of their vocation, which could be franciscan or dominican or any other religious group. they can leave their order if they please. hope you liked the story.

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james flanagan: 18th Mar 2007 - 22:02 GMT

Hi jack,
Ever find any more info or pictures relating to this story or the convent at st.dominic monastery in general? My father had an aunt that was a nun there and I'm trying to find out as much info as possible about st.dominic's and the nuns who were there. Thanks.- jim

Alan Pigott: 18th Feb 2008 - 17:48 GMT

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Hi I'm addressing this to no one in particular, but I have an oil painting, many years now, and at the bottom of the painting are the words "St. Dominick's Monastery Newark N.J"...and it's signed .."W.O.H. N.Y 1923" If anyone could shed any more light on this , as regards any more information , or anything about the artist I would be email address is..
""...and I'm from Dublin in Ireland...Picture added

Angela Dolan: 28th Mar 2008 - 18:34 GMT

I have the same picture. In excellent condition, framed. Is there a market value for this painting?

grace domenchello: 13th Apr 2008 - 18:58 GMT

we have the same exact picture woh signature,my father must have acquired it over the years. He worked for sanitation and couldnt leave anything so beautiful in the trash. He's gone and we were wondering about the picture so I went on-line.would love to know if it was a nun who painted it.

Carol : 26th May 2008 - 23:39 GMT

googled w.o.h. ny and came up with windows of hope dominican nuns helping people
hope this is helpful to you 22nd Oct 2008 - 07:29 GMT

Hello to Angela Dolan and Grace ,
This is confusing and interesting at the same time , You say you have the same picture...Mine looks totally like an original oil painting,,,I paint myself , so I'm sure it is. But you say you have the exact same picture... does it look like a print or an actual oil painting....This is quite intriguing, Hope you see this , and I hear a reply from you......

Best Wishes

Alan pigott 23rd Oct 2008 - 12:24 GMT

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This is Alan Pigott here again trying to solve the origin of a Picture that is signed ..." W. O. H. ...N.J. 1923..and also St Dominic's Monastery Newark N.J...I have already posted a photo of it..but this one is a little clearer..Thank you Carol for the Windows of Hope link....I have e-mailed them ...but as yet got no response....

Best Regards

Alan pigott

jack: 23rd Oct 2008 - 16:35 GMT

sorry that i have not paid attention to this story i posted some time ago. i visited the nuns at the monestary in newark manny times and spent time there on self imposed retreats. the nuns are now in kentucky and i believe michigan. they have been split up and the monestary is now occupied by franciscan brothers of the renewal and also the brotherhood of hope. both groups which i am involved with. i will try to find out from my nuns who lived there about the painting. wow, this is exciting. of course now the sisters will grill me on how well i am doing as a catholic man and if i have stayed out of trouble. 31st Oct 2008 - 20:22 GMT

Thanks Jack.....would very much appreciate it if you could find out some details for me .....would love to know if the picture was painted by one of the nuns..or if it was a print that was put out maybe to raise funds,, the fact that two other people say they have the exact same picture, would seem maybe that was the case....hope to hear back from you .....

best regards


dominique: 16th Nov 2008 - 20:56 GMT

i to have one the exact same it seems to be a print that could posably have been touches up with oil if that helps any 18th Nov 2008 - 08:31 GMT

Yes Dominique.... it would appear that it is most definitely a print...and looking closer at it . it looks more like embossing than brush strokes.....would still like to know the history of the pictures...I'll keep up my searching for the answer....when I get it I'll post my result....Alan

Sylvia Garry: 7th Dec 2008 - 16:29 GMT

Hi Everyone,
I went on retreat to the old Domican Convent on the corner of 13th street in Newark. Though it is old and in need of repair, you can feel the holiness there. I was disturbed that the bodies of the Nuns were moved, especially that of the incorupt Nun, Sister Mary of Perpetual Adoration. I would love to see them moved back and a shrine erected. I do think that the cause for Sister Mary of Perpetual Adoration should be opened.
Oh by the way, the Friars have started to restore the Chapel and behind the modern paneling, they found a beautiful painting of Angels. I am sure that many works of art were lost when the Convent was closed. It would be wonderful to see it restored.
I am praying that Sister Mary of Perpetual Adoration be made known.
Thanks and God Bless!

anon ( 19th Dec 2008 - 04:35 GMT

it,s in canada

anon ( 19th Dec 2008 - 05:04 GMT

it went two U.K then canada it's my room for 58 years

anon ( 19th Dec 2008 - 05:15 GMT


anon ( 19th Dec 2008 - 05:38 GMT

it well stay

Sylvia Garry: 10th Jan 2009 - 22:29 GMT

The old Dominican Convent on 13th street in Newark, NJ is a very holy place. Holiness comes out of the walls there, which now are bare.
The Franciscan Friars of the Renewal have taken it over and are trying to restore it.
Some of us would like to purchase articles to return there.
I am sure that whatever you sell or give back will bring you many blessings.
Please contact me at if you have anything you wish to return to the convent.
Thank you and God bless you.

Joseph Purcell: 25th Mar 2009 - 19:34 GMT

I also have the same painting. How Ironic. This was given to me by my Grandmother many years ago.It appears to be a painting and not a copy. It is hanging in my sons room.
I was intrigued by this picture and needed to find the origin. Have to love the internet. Cleveland, Ohio,

Clare Anne: 7th Apr 2009 - 13:28 GMT

How intrigueing! My Great Grandmother's sister, Mary Bushell, was listed as a nun in the 1900 US census. She was at the Venite Adoremus Convent, 13th Street, District 60, Newark, Essex, New Jersey.
Mary had a younger sister Lucy E Bushell, who was a Dominican Nun, and I have found a record for her in 1910 in New York, although she left the UK for America in 1889 and stated that her final destination was maybe she was at Venite Adoremus Convent too at some point?
Kind regards, Clare 24th Jun 2009 - 06:49 GMT

i have been blessed my whole life you can say.not a perfect life but,ok.eight years ago around this time the year i went to a yard sale.i look a around at a thing or two and alady said ihave something for you,i heard that before! SHE GAVE ME THE PAINTING.i believe we all have been blessed.

Mom E: 9th Nov 2009 - 00:04 GMT

I also have the same painting and I am in Northern California! I picked it up at a garage sale. It may be just the way your picture came out but yours appears to have a lot of "blues" in it while mine is mostly browns and rose pinks. I checked the brush strokes on your picture and they are much different than mine which makes me think each one was painted by a different person (again, possibly the nuns?). If you find any information I would love to have you post it on here. Thanks...........

Tom: 13th Nov 2009 - 00:35 GMT

Jack, you should contact Sister Mary Magdalen in Michigan and see if you can get more information on the painting as well as the incorrupt body of the nun. I am so sorry that they had to leave Newark. I found out today that Sister Mary Joseph went to North Guilford, Connecticut.

angelo: 26th Jan 2010 - 01:57 GMT

im from edison my grandmothers sister was a gray nun.ithink she was born 1898 an born in panting is very old oil with fram.and there was anther old one but different . my brother has that one.her name elsabeth. the nuns travled alote em

marie: 11th June, 2010 - 6:45 : 11th Jun 2010 - 23:13 GMT

My dad had this same picture from his mother's house in Buffalo, NY.
He said he had an Aunt who was a nun. She was a white nun at the Doat Street Convent in Buffalo, NY.
I ended up with the picture after his death and it was in my basement and not long after I was watching an antique road show and saw a similar picture on the show and it was mentioned that the copy right and date were in the left hand lower corner. I checked out my picture and took it out of the basement. It is an interesting story as to the meaning behind this picture. My picture has more pinks and browns in it than the picture shown here with the blue coloring.
W.O'H. N.Y. 1923
I feel these pictures should be in a place of honor or possibly returned to the convent.
ps --- on ebay I saw someone trying to sell a picture for $499.99 bid His picture doesn't look to be in too good of condition but he rated it 9 out of 10.

Georgia: 5th july 2010 yo,oh: 5th Jul 2010 - 16:35 GMT

I was given the same painting,a few weeks ago from a friends son.I also want to know more about this painting.It seems like alot of us have the same painting and want to find out more about.One comment I read said,we are Blessed to have it.I hope that all of us can fine some info on this painting and share it with the rest of us. THANKS

Cheryl: 8th Sep 2010 - 02:44 GMT

I have a painting that was in my Grandmother's home, she died @ age 103, 6 years ago, the painting is dated 1923..I would love to find more information on it..any suggestions.

Cheryl, trumbull, CT: 8th Sep 2010 - 02:52 GMT

By the way, it is the same painting, with brown paper on the back, wood frame..and initial W.O.H. NY..1923 in the bottom right side, I wish we all knew the history of the original painting..I just adore it and have it in my home now. My Grandmother had it in hers for over 70 years!

marilyn sheppard gallaccio 21 Sept 2010: 21st Sep 2010 - 19:42 GMT

I don't have that painting but I do have a memory....of "visiting" the sisters as a child. You see my parents were married unheard thing never done before 1939 and according to my mother never after. My maternal grandfather died days before my parent's impending wedding at St. Antoninus. My mother wanted to proceed with the wedding but with just family so the Sisters were asked. Special permission from someone had to be asked and was received. My grandfather had been a great benefactor to the sisters. I remember the large grate and the sisters made a great fuss over my brother and myself. We moved to So. Jersey when I was 5 and unfortunately future visits were very rare. But my mother kept in touch with them until either they moved or the last she knew passed away. The organist (at her wedding) had been a very new novice who later became superior of the convent

Kathy Arthur: 4th Oct 2010 - 15:15 GMT

I also bought this picture at a yard sale, and I believe I am truly blessed for having this picture. I consider this a very holy piece of art and feel the Holy Spirit. My dad was catholic and born in 1923. The windows of hope instills a special faith in our hearts, which I am sure the Dominican nuns portrayed. The monastery is holy from the good acts from the nuns and their prayers to God. His presence is still felt there. The painting, I agree, could be an oil painted on a print. I paint, also, so I know the texture. I am catholic, and this picture reminds me of my catholic education and draws me close to God. I had a friend who left the catholic church when the mass was no longer practiced in Latin. The church has changed too much. I love this picture. I am going through hard times, and this picture gives me hope! I love God, and he wanted me to have this picture.

Kathy Arthur: 4th Oct 2010 - 15:15 GMT

I also bought this picture at a yard sale, and I believe I am truly blessed for having this picture. I consider this a very holy piece of art and feel the Holy Spirit. My dad was catholic and born in 1923. The windows of hope instills a special faith in our hearts, which I am sure the Dominican nuns portrayed. The monastery is holy from the good acts from the nuns and their prayers to God. His presence is still felt there. The painting, I agree, could be an oil painted on a print. I paint, also, so I know the texture. I am catholic, and this picture reminds me of my catholic education and draws me close to God. I had a friend who left the catholic church when the mass was no longer practiced in Latin. The church has changed too much. I love this picture. I am going through hard times, and this picture gives me hope! I love God, and he wanted me to have this picture.

florence Rillo: 16th Oct 2010 - 16:18 GMT

I do remember the monastery with the lovely Sisters singing.. I lived right around the corner on 9th street.I made plenty of trips to hear God's gift, the Dominican sisters praising God. I and my brothers and sister went to St. Antoninus school. I do not have the picture but I am in the process of asking my aunt if she has the picture. God Bless!

Louis K. Steffenhagen: 18th Oct 2010 - 00:50 GMT

I also have this picture. I have had it reframed and it now hangs in my office at home.
It was my Grandmothers sister's. She lived in Cheektowaga New York as did I until about 39 years ago. She recently passed away and my other brother gave me this painting along with statuary of Jesus and Mary with the sacred heart on both.
I have only recently come to the faith and love of our Lord and Savior. I am not Catholic but a member of the Episcopal Church.It is said that when you have finally hit the very bottom, it is Christ you will seek. 2 bouts with cancer and still fighting will do that to you. I was always impressed by my Aunt who spent what seemed every hour of her life in her Catholic Church. Like all who have written here, I truly like the painting. It is an empossed copy though. I already had that checked a long time ago. It sits right in front of me at eye level, so anytime I am typing or on the computer I can see it. I also love God and my Savior Jesus Christ and feel that my Aunt had this picture for a reason and it was given to me for a reason.

Tom R.: 26th Oct 2010 - 20:38 GMT

I have a copy also. Jesus's robe is deep red, different from the one I saw here. I found it at a flea market. 11th Dec 2010 - 14:21 GMT

I used to go there for mass cards but it was on 9th and 13th ave not on 13th street. I was a member of st. ann's parish on 7 th.street and 16th ave.during the 1950's 19th Dec 2010 - 16:35 GMT

i used to go there for mass cards

Sonia : 6th Jan 2011 - 01:35 GMT


This is very interesting I am in Eastern Canada. I have the same painting. It is also dated in the left hand bottom corner W.O.H. 1923. My mother was asking me to look up the history of this picture on the internet.

psa: 16th Jan 2011 - 04:50 GMT

the same painting in uk in canada 1951

dottie: 24th Feb 2011 - 00:07 GMT

does anyone how much its worth ?

dottie: 24th Feb 2011 - 00:09 GMT

you can email at anyone can find out how its worth thank you

carol : 10th Apr 2011 - 22:31 GMT

To Tom, I remember Sister Mary Joseph. My aunt was Sister Mary Raphael, as was the monastery's artist. I am not familiar with the painting above, but I have many copies of the artwork she did while living at the M St Dominic in Newark. I have found memories of visiting her there until she passed away. It sounds like some went to CT and some to MI- they split up the remaining sisters.

Joe Knapp: 21st Apr 2011 - 17:48 GMT

I have the same one. I bought it in a flea market in NYC. I think it is a print but like it still the same.

fred m: 5th Jul 2011 - 03:52 GMT

I had an aunt that was a nun at St. Dominic's in Newark. Her surname by birth was Muscatello. Does anybody know what happened to her?

fred m: 5th Jul 2011 - 03:52 GMT

please let me know at Thx!

Barb: 23rd Jul 2011 - 22:36 GMT

Within the last 7 years we've closed up two homes where my parents, now both deceased, lived for nearly 50 years, in Florida. I found the painting there among other old tresures!. It originally belonged to my paternal grandmother who lived in Massachusetts;I remember seeing it hanging in her house when I was just a little girl of 6 or 7. We have Dominican Sisters in our family, though not nuns (cloistered). The value of the framed painting isn't as important to me as the joy and comfort it must have brought to my grandmother and family throughout the years. It now hangs in the office in my home.

Pauline Farrugia: 24th Jul 2011 - 09:29 GMT

I am also very interestd in find out who or whom the artist is for this painting. The one I have was found in an apartment I moved into on 86th street in NYC 1958 and now resides in Nadur,Gozo-Malta,Europe. Who is W. O'H 1923? The one i have is still very shiny and I can not beleive that this was a copy or such. I beleive that the nuns painted this picture over and over and that each is orginal maybe to sell for church repairs etc.Just wish I could prove it or really get any information on something I cherish now and did in my childhood.

jack: 26th Aug 2011 - 20:40 GMT

i just got back to this posting after 5 years. wanted to see if anyone was interested in it. i did get info on the painting from sister madeline and have to dig it out. i will do it and report back.

Marta: 4th Sep 2011 - 12:56 GMT

My great grandmother's sister was a nun at St. Dominic's in Newark. She was from Hungary and joined the convent around the 30s and was still living there in the 50s. Unfortunately I don't know when she passed away. Her last name by birth was Farnadi. I'd appreciate if anyone can give me any advice how to find information about her (how much time she spent there and where she is buried). Is there a database or register of nuns who lived there? I'm also interested in the history of the convent.
My email is

Robert: 4th Sep 2011 - 17:30 GMT

I was wondering if anyone has any additional information
about Sister Mary of Perpetual Adoration ,the incorrupt nun
who died at st. Dominic Monestary in Newark the 1950s
Ive begun to pray for her intercession. The story has fascinated
me since I heard Benedict Groeschel mention
it at a retreat. my email

pattimacginnis: 6th Sep 2011 - 21:40 GMT

hey jack was wondering if u got the info from sister madeline regarding the painting by woh 1923? love the pic and sooo many of us have the same thing tho date is on bottom left on some and bottom right on others interesting tho isnt it i can be reached

Kelly: 15th Sep 2011 - 15:30 GMT

I also have this same picture, and was looking online to see if there was any information on it! We inherited it from my husband's grandmother, who lived in Buffalo, NY. I notice several of the others who have the picture also have Buffalo connections. Although the convent was in Newark, I wonder if there was some outreach activity going on in Buffalo that would explain this?

Deirdre: 2nd Oct 2011 - 03:30 GMT

My grandparent were devout Catholics and I inherited what I always thought was the actual painting. It has 2 small marks and colors have faded. I would like to sell (we need the money) but it will be a loss. Right before signature is a triangle with a C inside it. My email is deedeedaquila@yahoo

john: 4th Dec 2011 - 01:12 GMT

i have the same one weymouth mass is there any value jwl god bless

john: 10th Dec 2011 - 22:05 GMT

ha anyone going to help thank you

Sandra: 23rd Dec 2011 - 04:54 GMT

I have such wonderful memories of the convent. I was only 10-11 years old when I would visit in the chapel hoping to hear the cloistered sisters sing. I attended St. Antoninus School and lived on S.Ninth Street in the same house my mother had lived in when she was a girl. Once during the summer I was playing outside and one of the Sisters of Charity, my 5th grade teacher, saw me and asked me to go over to the convent and to pick up several boxes of hosts to be blessed and used at Sunday mass. I was in awe of the chapel and thought that the singing came directly from heaven. I am glad to hear that the monastery and St.Antoninus are still standing. I often think back on those days in 1950s Newark fondly. I never heard about the holy sister whose body was perfectly preserved. I can't imagine the Church just ignoring that discovery.

Chris: 9th Jun 2012 - 23:33 GMT

How much is it worth? I have it in oil 1st Aug 2012 - 03:10 GMT

My Mother had this picture, then it passed to my sister. I think Mother got it somewhere along the way when she emigrated from Scotland to Pittsburgh, Pa. She didn't discuss it with me, but it was very much a family icon hanging from the wall of our austere, humble home. I became its new owner when my sister died. I feel really good that it is now in my home. I would like to know more about this picture. Thank you all for sharing.

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 7th Oct 2012 - 21:22 GMT

Bernie Flanagan, Oct. 7,2012: After reading the numerous comments concerning the above painting, it seems to me that it was probably a painting produced by one of the "nun artists" who was a member of the cloister. Perhaps she painted it over and over and the monastery distributed copies to their benefactors and friends over a period of years. Concerning the incorrupt body of one of the nuns who was buried there long ago, the Church no longer regards incorruption as necessarily being a sign of sainthood, although it very well might be. I also think it would be a mistake to try to turn the former Dominican Convent into a Shrine. The "Monastery of the Blessed Sacrament" as it is being presently run is very precious to God. The brothers living there work among the poorest of God's poor; they wear simple robes and live lives of extreme poverty which would certainly endear the to St. Francis of Assisi, and of Course to the former patron of the Monastery, St. Dominic. Also The monastery is located in a crime-ridden area, so persons visiting there should use the good sense that God gave them. One can best help members of the Franciscan Friars of the renewal by praying for them, donating funds to them to help them restore their beautiful monastery, and of course to help them in their apostolate to the poor by donating, food, gently used clothing and whatever else they need, it would be a good idea to ask the brothers living at the monastery what their current needs. Also, the monastery was designed by Jeremiah O'Rourke, the first architect of Newark's Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart and St. John's Church in Orange, New Jersey both historic landmarks, The Cathedral Basilica is on the U. S. Register of Historic Places. (I also worhiped in the chapel of the Dominican Convent--the singing of the nuns was indeed heavenly

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 14th Oct 2012 - 20:25 GMT

Dear Friends of St. Antoninus Church and the Former Dominican Cloister nearby:

On occasion people who comment on the history of these two institutions remember a woman who used to beg for alms on the landing at the top of the double flight of stairs in the front of St. Antoninus Church. Her name was Agnes Breen. It is said that she had a sister and both were daughters of a Mr. Breen who owned or had something to do with the brownstone quarries adjacent to Eagle Rock in South Orange. And that any money she may have received from his estate was donated to the Church. I remember Agnes as being a woman, probably in her middle sixties in the mid-fifties. She was about five feet two and her face was horribly weather worn and her hair had almost completed its change from grey to white. Frequently her hair was wind-blown, giving the impression to those entering St. Antoninus Church on Thursday evenings to attend the weekly holy hour, that dressing for the public was not high on her list of priorities, serving the Lord was. Before the beginning of services agnes would beg alms for the education of priests (Dominicans I presume) saying, "Got any nickels or dimes for the education of priests." After the completion of the services she would return to her post and continue her request for alms, hoping to get something from those who came late. Agnes attended all the masses available at St. Antoninus, those at the Dominican monastery, and frequently would walk in all kinds of weather to the Benedictine Abbey on High Street (now King Boulevard) to "get in" those masses as she would put it. On the way back she would stop off at my Aunt's apartment across the Street from Newton Street School and she would be served a warm cup of tea and toast. Agnes died on January 21,1977, and if my memory serves me, she was waked at the Dominican Priory on South Orange Avenue, which was adjacent to the church. As I entered to view her remains, I asked one of the employees of the Paul A. McDonough Funeral Home, at that time located at 637 Broadway in Newark, New Jersey, "Who is taking care of this funeral?" The response was, and it was spoken with a deep sense of pride, "The Attorney General is taking care of this one." Agnes Breen is one of those "uncanonized" saints of the Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps someone reading this might look up Miss Breen's obituary in the Star Ledger of the Newark Evening News and as a favor to me and others who are reading this article provide us with information from the obituary--thanks "Bernie"

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 18th Oct 2012 - 16:48 GMT

Dear Friends: lest I give the impression that I would like others to do my research, I have decided to locate Agnes Breen's obituary myself. After typing my last comments concerning her death, I remembered that I had the good fortune of accidently coming across her obituary in the Newark Star Ledger or the Newark Evening News which accounts for my attending her wake. As previously stated she was one of St. Antoninus's saintly parishioners who frequently attended the services at the nearby Monastery of Cloistered Dominican nuns. Incidently, I had the good fortune several years ago to be given a guided tour of the former Dominican Monastery which has been taken over by the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, an order founded by Father Benedict J. Groeschel, C.F.R. (of EWTN fame). Brian Regan, Author of Gothic Pride, the Building of a Great Cathedral in Newark (Rutger's University Press, published in July of 2012)was also part of that tour group. The monastery was the first of its kind built in the United States, and Mr. Jeremiah O'Rourke F.A.I.A. was its architect. Those interested in the Gothic Revival Movement of the 19th century and the early history of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Newark and the building of great cathedrals would certainly enjoy reading mr. Regan's book.

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 18th Oct 2012 - 16:48 GMT

Dear Friends: lest I give the impression that I would like others to do my research, I have decided to locate Agnes Breen's obituary myself. After typing my last comments concerning her death, I remembered that I had the good fortune of accidently coming across her obituary in the Newark Star Ledger or the Newark Evening News which accounts for my attending her wake. As previously stated she was one of St. Antoninus's saintly parishioners who frequently attended the services at the nearby Monastery of Cloistered Dominican nuns. Incidently, I had the good fortune several years ago to be given a guided tour of the former Dominican Monastery which has been taken over by the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, an order founded by Father Benedict J. Groeschel, C.F.R. (of EWTN fame). Brian Regan, Author of Gothic Pride, the Building of a Great Cathedral in Newark (Rutger's University Press, published in July of 2012)was also part of that tour group. The monastery was the first of its kind built in the United States, and Mr. Jeremiah O'Rourke F.A.I.A. was its architect. Those interested in the Gothic Revival Movement of the 19th century and the early history of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Newark and the building of great cathedrals would certainly enjoy reading mr. Regan's book.

Maree Azzopardi: 19th Nov 2012 - 04:43 GMT

Wow! I also have the same picture, thinking I had an original painting. I am an artist myself and it's flakes of paint that is peeling so I believe they were individually painted. I have to admit I'm a little shocked. I've been wondering about this gorgeous little piece for years . I bought it in an antique shop in the Blue Mountains, west of Sydney, Australia around 7 years ago. I live in Sydney so it's travelled a long way. I originally bought this piece for around $450 AUS . what an intriguing story this little painting is part of. Sure, I'm disappointed it's not an original but the story now makes it so much more valuable.
Maree, Sydney, Australia

Alan Pigott: 30th Nov 2012 - 00:27 GMT

Hi Maree Azzopardi .....I've been contributing to this post for nearly four years now, in fact I'm the one that posted the image of the picture..... and it's just fascinating how new posts keep getting added. I cant even remember how I got to this forum.. I know I decided to go on the net to find the origin of my picture. but how i came upon the post by Jack, and I don't even know his surname.
The thread has been going for six years now... and we've had lovely stories. but bottom line is we still have no idea of the artist or history of why it was reproduced and has ended up all over the world... the most consistent theme is that we all got them at flea markets, boot sales , or from garbage ... but in the main there was very little cost to our pockets ...all except yourself Maree... but I don't think you care about that too much....The difference was you found it in an Antique Shop,, and naturally one would be thinking on a different level... but the story goes on ..... apart from who painted this picture... but who. or whom were the planners of mass producing it .....?

Alan Pigott ( )

sp: 1st Dec 2012 - 04:45 GMT

The brian was in England

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 26th Jan 2013 - 20:42 GMT

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood, N.J., January 26th, 2013

Dear Friends:

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Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 27th Jan 2013 - 01:04 GMT

to Alan Piggot's post of the picture of Jesus Christ (The Sacred Heart appearing to St. Margaret Mary in her chapel in France), I think enough has been said. It seems to me as has been stated and implied in other posts that the picture was simply a popular devotional image which enjoyed a great degree of popularity in the late nineteenth and the twentieth centuries. These images and similar ones were produced to promote devotion to the Sacred Heart and appeared in hundreds of thousands of Roman Catholic Homes Throughout the world. Our Lord made twelve promises to St. Margaret Mary, the 9th promise was,"I will bless every place where a picture of my heart shall be set up and honored. Me thinks, Jesus would prefer us spreading respect for and honoring his name than hunting down the resume of an obscure artist whose work has little artistic merit--if you think I am being unkind visit St. Lucy's Church in Newark New Jersey and appreciate the wonderful ceiling paintings by renowned liturgical artist Gonippo Raggi, who also decorated the interior of Newark's Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart and the Chapel of St. Lucy Filippini in Morristown, New Jersey.

To improve our appreciation of excellent liturgical art I have posted a few hours previous to this posting, an excellent picture of the "Bleeding Face of Christ" (see Carol's post of 10th of April 20ll) painted by Sister Mary Raphael,Dominican artist who was Carol's aunt and a member of the Monastery of St. Dominic at Thirteenth Avenue, Newark, New Jersey. (One of the previous posts refers to the name of the monastery as being The Venite Adoremus Monastery, which is incorrect but understandable. Above the gateway leading to the monastery those Latin words are inscribed in brownstone.They mean, "Oh come let us adore Him.)Returning to topic, let us consider Sister Mary's picture (This attribution appears on the reversie side of the printed reproduction "Painting by Sr. Mary Raphael, O.P, Monastery of Saint Dominic, Thirteenth Avenue, Newark, New Jersey) As an artistic meditation produced by a nun who spent years in the Dominican convent adoring Christ in the Blessed Sacrament--She knows him well, she understands his suffering and his humanity. Her artistic skills are highly developed and she knows calligraphy as well.These are some of my thoughts concerning the picture, which I wish to share with you:

The cruciform rays of light which surround Christ's head identify him as Jesus Christ, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Counted individually the rays number fifteen, no doubt a reference to the the fifteen mysteries of the rosary. His crown of thorns is not overly elaborated, one is not distracted by blood and gore. He wears the crown with great dignity and his face communicates his resignation to the Father's will. Also notice the tender touch sister gives her work, the drop of blood in the corner of Christ's right eye which resembles a tear, and how sister has integrated the flowing of Christ's blood from the crown of thorns with his neatly arranged strands of hair. The style of this portrayal of Christ is quite similar to that of an icon, a Byzantine religious painting. Sister Mary Raphael's Christ is a convincing and loving portrayal.

An Aside:

Dear Carol(who posted on the 10th of April, 2011 re: Sr. Mary Raphael) Did you ever think of exhibiting your Aunt's art works at Walsh Library in Seton Hall University. While you are alive and well, and I hope you are, or did you ever consider donating them to Seton Hall Library where they will be appreciated, protected and preserved for hopefully hundreds of years. If your art treasures are not boxed in an acid free environment they will deteriorate over the years--they should be stored in acid free boxes and interleaved with acid free paper. Until then Carol, I remain respectfully yours. If the idea is of interest to you, contact: Mr. Alan B. Delozier, Director of Special Collections at Seton Hall University. Tel: 973 275.2378 or You may mention my name to him should you care to do so. Bernie Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 27th Jan 2013 - 08:31 GMT

Dear Alan Piggot:

Perhaps I was a bit harsh in saying that the "Sacred Heart"apparation picture lacked artistic merit; however, I think it is fair to say that it is not a great work of art but rather a pietistic rendition of a beloved Roman Catholic devotional theme, one worthy of great respect. This information may be of interest to you and appears on the internet, Google: Monastic Milestones-Dominican Nuns. It is a Centennial brochure of a Dominican foundation whose roots can be traced back to France and the former Monastery of St. Dominic on Thirteenth Avenue in Newark, New Jersey. On pg. 9, of the brochure there are excellent photographs of the four nuns who sailed to Newark from France to set up a Dominican Monastery of Perpetual Adoration. Also shown is an excellent photograph of Bishop Corrigan (later Archbishop Corrigan of New York) and a handsome photograph of the exterior of the Monastery. Bishop Corrigan made this entry in his Diocesan Journal on July 7, 1880: A colony of Dominican Sisters of the 2nd or Grand Order Order arrived on the 7th inst, in the Amerique from Oullins, near Lyons, France. They are four in number, namely Mother Mary of Jesus, Prioress, Sister Mary of Mercy, Sister Mary Emmanuel, and Sister M. Dominic. They remained a few weeks with our sisters at the college (Seton Hall) until a house rented for them, No. 122 Sussex Avenue., Newark could be made ready. On the 29th inst.,the Feast of St. Martha, Mgr. Doane, (the Vicar General of the Diocese) in my absence locked them in, having first said Mass for them, and made an allocution. These Sisters have been preparing to come to this Diocese since 1873, and with God's blessing, they hope to inauguarate here the Contemplative Life, and to introduce the Perpetual Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. Here it is of interest to note that Monsignor Doane, who died in 1905, bequeathed to the Sisters of the Monastery of St. Dominic funds sufficent to cover the construction of the brownstone wall that surrounds the monastery.--Respectfully submited by Bernie Flanagan

On the feast of St. Dominic Aug. 4, I said mass for them, and blessed their house, and the Blessed Sacrament was exposed for the first time that day, until evening. At present the Exposition will take place on Sundays and feast days." The practice of Perpetual Adoration could not be fully implemented because of the small number of nuns available. See pg. 244, The Diocesan Journal of Michael Augustine Corrigan, Bishop of Newark, 1872-1880, edited by Joseph F. Mahoney and Peter J. Wosh; published: Newark and South Orange, 1987, by the New Jersey Historical Society and the New Jersey Catholic Historical Records Commission--for those interested in knowing what the day-to-day life of a nineteenth century bishop was like, this book is truly an enjoyable "read". Also for those interested in specific nuns who were members of the Monastery I am sure the nuns kept those records. Perhaps when the few remaining nuns were relocated from the Newark Monastery in 2004 their Monastic records were given to The Archdiocesan archives at Seton Hall University in South Orange, New Jersey, if they were not deposited in the archives, I'm sure they will be able to tell you where they were sent--Respectfully, Bernie Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 30th Jan 2013 - 04:35 GMT

Dear Friends:

I just remembered this incident indirectly related to the history of St. Antoninus Parish, not too distant from the Monastary of St. Dominic on Thirteenth Avenue, it occured in the late fall of 1959.
About two or three blocks below St. Antoninus Church there was a luncheonette on the north west corner of South Orange Avenue. One day, early in the afternoon, or evening, I saw a small gathering of people outside it and a police car--I was on my way to church. I asked a gentleman, "What Happened?" He told me that two brothers were seated at the lunch counter and were arguing when one of them stabbed the other. Hearing this, I Immediately ran up to St. Antoninus Church and rang the doorbell of the Dominican Friars residence, A young priest named Father Ertle, one of my favorites, answered the doorbell. I told him what I had heard, he thanked me and closed the door. Some weeks later, I was drafted into the U. S. Army and was quite concerned about surviving basic training. Before I left for Fort Dix, I returned to the Dominican Friary to ask Father Ertle to remember me in his prayers and gave him a small gift--no I wasn't paying him for his services, just trying to be as kind as he was. He thanked me and added, "concerning the young man who was stabbed,I think I got to him just in time to give him the last rites of the Church"(called Extreme Unction in those days). Today the preferred practice would be to get the injured person to the hospital as quickly as possibly, and hopefully, a hospital chaplain would be there to administer the last rites. And may I share this non-related incident with you? One afternoon at lunch time I was leaving the Newark Public Library when I saw a man on a motorcycle who was about to turn left on Bridge street get knocked off it by a vehicle traveling west which was making a right turn at Bridge and Broad Streets. A crowd soon gathered, and the police quickly arrived; however, no one was doing anything for the confort of the guy who was probably in shock or unconcious, they were waiting for the arrival of the ambulance. I felt sorry for him, and wondered what I could do, if anything, and then I realized there was something I could do! I shielded his eyes from the bright sun. Christianity is about serving others!

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 3rd Feb 2013 - 20:52 GMT

Dear Friends: Sometime after Vatican II, possibly in the seventies, the Dominican Nuns whose monastery, was on Thirteenth Avenue in Newark, published a humble and brief history of their community. I remember reading it; however, I no longer have the brochure. It contained photographs of the sanctuary of the chapel as it appeared in the early days and as it appeared at the time the history was published. I remember being disturbed by the look of the sanctuary, the beautiful red hanging lamps which hung from chains of various lengths and which could only be reached by ascending the steps which flanked the Grill above which the Blessed Sacrament was displayed were no longer there. The reason given for their removal was that the nuns were getting elderly and it was difficult for them to replace the candles when they burned out. Recently I came across an article which referred to some of the post Vatican II renovations as "wreckovations", fortunately the "wreckovators" didn't get their hands on Newark's Magnificent Gothic Revival Basilica, the Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart. Also for those requiring more information concerning St. Dominick's monastery, perhaps the Newark Archdiocesan archives at Seton Hall University may prove to be helpful, or call the Newark Public Library or the New Jersey Historical Society in Newark to see what they may have in their special collection holdings.

anon ( 17th Feb 2013 - 02:35 GMT

Well after seven years, We have never discovered, an actual answer to this thread.. some people were interested in the monetary value ...... We have listened to all sorts of pious beliefs, and the pleasure received by having this picture in their possession. Well Great II

But who was the Artist ?

For what reason was it painted,

Was it mass reproduced to make money for the Order ?........Did it ?

How many were mass produced...

Where were they originally sold, and for how much ?

Before they were discarded as thrash. and ended up in car boot sales, or rubbish dump's

I don't think we'll ever know the answer ? A bit like all the other mysteries of the Catholic Church.

Perhaps the factory was run by fallen ladies, who were forever bidden to secrecy ..... AMEN.....

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 25th Feb 2013 - 18:35 GMT

Dear Anon: 17 Feb. 2013

Me thinks your post exhibits a bit of anti-Catholicism and for that reason you have done a disservice to others who have made comments concerning the particular devotional image of the Sacred heart to which you make reference. If the painting was produced by a nun chances are that like you, but for religious reasons, anonymity was desired. A point not made in previous posts is that pictures honoring an apparation of Jesus Christ (the Sacred Heart) were blessed after they were sold and or given away as religious gifts,and were never meant to have been dumped in the trash or disposed of in any other irreverent manner by their ultimate owner.-- I saw a copy of this picture offered for sale on the internet--low bid $4.00. Also Dear "Anon" one of the beautiful tenants of the Roman Catholic Faith and all the other Christian faiths is to love those who do not love us or share our beliefs, and to pray for them. So all God's best for you and yours!


Bernard A. Flanagan

Maryanne DIEHL : 1st Apr 2013 - 07:02 GMT

I have been reading with great interest because I used to go to St Antonius church also on Thursday evening

I attended St Ann school on seventh Street in Newarkfor many years does anyone know whatever happened to that school in church

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 2nd Apr 2013 - 08:30 GMT

Dear Maryanne Diehl: The church is still open and its parishioners are predominantly Hispanic. The Dominican nuns were withdrawn from the parish in 1988 and the building was sold in 1991. Saint Rocco's shelter for women and children moved into the convent and the old lyceum is being used for a women's shelter.

Please I implore the readers of "City Noise" to consult the Archdiocesan publication, Seeds of Faith, Branches of Hope--The Archdiocese of Newark, New Jersey. It was published to commemorate the one hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Archdiocese and contains excellent photographs of her parish churches and historical information concerning them--the book was published in 2003. If your local library does not have a copy of this work ask them if they could provide you with an "inter-library loan copy. I believe that the parish records of Newark's closed parishes are held by the Archdiocesan Archives at Seton Hall University in South Orange New Jersey. Also visit the Charles Cummings New Jersey Information center of the Newark Public Library at 5 Washington Street Newark, New Jersey--they have many church histories on file and newspaper clipping files concerning Newark's Churches.

I say all this to prevent "City Noise" from becoming a dumping ground for inaccurate information or a place for disgruntled Catholics or "Catholic bashers" to vent against the church concerning the closing of parishes and schools. Let's upgrade the quality of posts on this site--give us quality accurate information devoid of hostility or recollections from faulty memories.


Bernard A. Flanagan,Maplewood, New Jersey


Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 2nd Apr 2013 - 08:30 GMT

Dear Maryanne Diehl: The church is still open and its parishioners are predominantly Hispanic. The Dominican nuns were withdrawn from the parish in 1988 and the building was sold in 1991. Saint Rocco's shelter for women and children moved into the convent and the old lyceum is being used for a women's shelter.

Please I implore the readers of "City Noise" to consult the Archdiocesan publication, Seeds of Faith, Branches of Hope--The Archdiocese of Newark, New Jersey. It was published to commemorate the one hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Archdiocese and contains excellent photographs of her parish churches and historical information concerning them--the book was published in 2003. If your local library does not have a copy of this work ask them if they could provide you with an "inter-library loan copy. I believe that the parish records of Newark's closed parishes are held by the Archdiocesan Archives at Seton Hall University in South Orange New Jersey. Also visit the Charles Cummings New Jersey Information center of the Newark Public Library at 5 Washington Street Newark, New Jersey--they have many church histories on file and newspaper clipping files concerning Newark's Churches.

I say all this to prevent "City Noise" from becoming a dumping ground for inaccurate information or a place for disgruntled Catholics or "Catholic bashers" to vent against the church concerning the closing of parishes and schools. Let's upgrade the quality of posts on this site--give us quality accurate information devoid of hostility or recollections from faulty memories.


Bernard A. Flanagan,Maplewood, New Jersey


ellenlive Novelty, Ohio: 14th Apr 2013 - 02:24 GMT

I also have this pic. It seems like oil painting. Mine is very faded. It is ninety years old now. I grew up with the pic. I have most of the family stuff now. I am the youngest of seven and went to St. Aloysius school and church. The Lord Jesus bless you all, Ellen

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 14th Apr 2013 - 05:06 GMT

Dear Ellenlive

In your Internet post you mentioned the name of one of Newark's Historic Roman Catholic Churches located on Fleming Avenue, St. Aloysius. It is one of Newark's historic Roman Catholic Churches and is a Neo-Gothic brownstone structure. It is constructed of Newark Brownstone and its tower is crowned with a modest copper spire which is ornamented with a simple cross. The interior is impressive, it has a fine hammerbeam roof system and one of its magnificent liturgical appointments is its beautifully carved pulpit. St. "Al's" was dedicated on May 8, 1881, and was the outgrowth of St. Thomas Mission attached to St. James Church in Newark. Also it is a significant architectural structure, it was designed by Jeremiah O'Rourke, the Newark Diocesan architect who designed St. John's Church in Orange New Jersey and who drew the original plan's for Newark's remarkable Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart. An Interesting story is told about Mr. O'Rourke who served as a water board commissioner for the city of Newark: He was criticized in a letter written to the Newark Daily Advertiser for not attending a meeting of the commissioners during Holy Week. Mr. O'Rourke promptly replied, "I was where every good Catholic should be,in Church with my family".

Dear Ellenlive, both you and I had the wonderful experience of worshiping in churches and attending schools designed by Mr. O'Rourke. I attended St. Joseph's on West Market Street. The beauty of that church,the comfort of its school, and the loving care of its nuns were a few of the pleasures of my childhood. I still remember St. Joseph's white hand-carved wooden Gothic altar and the Christmas trees decorated with blue lights which flanked it during the Christmas season. However, there were sad moments, a little boy from the parish (ca.1948) named Bobby Grey was playing with the elevator in the car dealership not too distant from the school and was killed. Also a distraught mother begged the parish priest to intercede for her son who was being detained by the Newark Police. He did; however, the day after his release his body was found dumped in an empty lot, someone had murdered him by giving him a deadly injection. And one of the prettiest girls in the parish, Kathleen Mooney, was killed in a car crash. Forgetting sad things though, it is remarkable how well the students at Saint Joseph's learned to be kind to their neighbors and to attend those in need. One former parishoner, a woman, prevented a homeless person from being arrested for vagrancy in New York. As policman approached her in the waiting room of the bus terminal , she told him, everything's alright officer, she's my aunt. Then she asked the lady where she was from and where her family lived. She then brought the lady a bus ticket which permitted her to return to her family who lived in a warmer climit. Some twenty years later, the name of the person who befriended this woman was found among her few earthly possessions--she was listed as next of kin.


Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood, New Jersey

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 14th Apr 2013 - 11:34 GMT

Dear Ellenlive (May I call you Ellie?)

The little boy from St. Joseph's parish that was killed in the elevator accident was "little Eddie Gray" (or Grey)--Sorry!

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 14th Apr 2013 - 12:19 GMT

Dear ellenlive Novelty

An excellent black and white photograph of St.Aloysius' tower and one of the main entrance or facade may be seen on the internet (Search New Jersey Churchscape Photographic Inventory St. Aloysius Church Newark, New Jersey.) however the name of the architect is incorrectly listed. Jeremiah O'Rourke is the architect as I previously stated.

Bernard A. Flanagan, Maplewood,N.J.: 15th Apr 2013 - 01:28 GMT

Dear Friends:

I just discovered an interesting item published in PDF format that will be of great interest to those interested in the Roman Catholic Churches of New Jersey and the Diocese of Newark (1853-1905). Search: The Catholic Church in New Jersey;Flynn,Joseph M. (Joseph ... It has loads of pictures of humble structures which were later replaced by more substantial edifices. Of special interest to me was the original St. Lucy's Church Newark. The Italian's certainly built an architectural masterpiece to replace it, and in addition to honoring God and Saint Lucy they shared their wonderful cultural heritage with their neighbors and the city of Newark. Also shown is a photograph of the cathedralesque church, St. James which was once located on Lafayette Street--alas,it was demolished. During the last few years of its existence that church which seated about 1,500 persons and whose many masses were well attended over the course of its history, by the nineteen-seventies, had only a few hundred parishoners. Also it was in dire need of repairs that would have cost in excess of one million dollars-money which the archdiocese did not have. Also those living in what was once St. James Parish were now Portuguese and recent emmigrants from numerous countries in South America and Brazil as well as Puerto Rico. St. James Parish moved into the school gym, which was liturgically decorated for church use.--the church now serves a predominantly Brazillian congregation. The photographs also portray: St. Bridget's Church, also a Jeremiah O' Rourke design it was destroyed in a horrendous fire, perhaps in the mid-fifties, the Church of the Sacred Heart in Bloomfield, a Romanesque Revival design also by O'Rourke, which was refurbished not too long ago and is strikingly similar to the incinerated St. Bridget's which was located on the south east corner of Plane and William Streets, across the street from the Newark City Dispensery. Also these two churches are shown with their lost spires: St Peter's (Our Lady Queen of Angels) and saint Michael's, Newark, whose spire was demolished because it suffered severe damage in a storm. Holy Cross in Harrison, New Jersey is shown without the side porches and nicely finished tower terminations. The book also contains tidbits of forgotten lore and interesting information such as the previous names of towns, Nutley,New Jersey, for example was once called Avondale. And lest I forget, the frontispiece, the page facing the title page of Dr. Flynn's work, contains a fine illustration of the facade of the Newark Cathedral basilica as designed by Mr. O'Rourke. Originally, tall spires were planned for the cathedral. The right spire was to soar to a height of 350 feet and the left spire to 250 feet.These heights were probably ispired by those of Cologne Cathedral in Germany which were added in the nineteenth century when the cathedral was completed. Since Cologne is considerably longer than the Newark Cathedral her spires were deisgned to rise to a height of 500 feet.

Alan Pigott: 5th May 2013 - 21:31 GMT

ALAN PIGOTT May 5th 2013 - Public
This Blog refers to a religious picture that I came upon at a street market. It would appear that several people from all around the World have identical pictures, 99% of them having been acquired at Flea Markets, car boot sales, one was even rescued by a sanitation worker. One lady however paid nearly five hundred Aus. Dollars in an antique shop.
But the mystery still goes on about it's history, was it painted in 1923 by a nun in a Newark Convent, was it then made into prints to raise funds, has it any monetary value, and so on, The posts are still coming in 7 years down the road. Maybe someday, someone will explain all.
Quite fascinating, if you ponder on such incidental little mysteries.......
Alan Pigott

Alan Pigott: 6th May 2013 - 04:47 GMT

I'll just add another image I took of my particular picture. The last one I posted, came out rather faded in it's appearance, this one is perhaps a little more sharp than it actually is, but still closer I would say to the true painting or print. I would just like to mention to Mr Flanagan, that I am not at all anti Catholic, in the true sense of the word; but, it would be true to say i'm not a fan of the Vatican, and the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church, and to be fair, any organised religion, as history show's they all become corrupt with the passage of time. I think it's just a reflection of human nature, we are both " good and bad " so let us remain true to one's self, and we shall attain our own level. Let us try and stay away from the pack instinct, otherwise we tend to seek out another pack to demonise and annihilate, All in the name of GOD of course, because naturally we are the chosen one'simage 51014

Bernard A. Flanagan: 1st Sep 2014 - 01:16 GMT

Dear Friends: (About Convents)

In my post of 15 April, 2013 I mistakenly stated that Sacred Heart Church in Bloomfield, New Jersey (cornerstone, 1899), a Jeremiah O'Rourke design, was strikingly similar to one of his earlier church designs, St. Bridget's, Church (cornerstone, 1891), which was destroyed in a horrendous fire sometime in the 1950s, and was located no more than 150'distant from the southeast corner of Plane and William Streets in Newark, New Jersey, across from what was then called the City Dispensery-- it still exists as a Newark health facility but under a different name. St. Bridget's was a yellow brick Romanesque revival structure that was plainly designed, and its Romanesque tower certainly was not as elaborately designed as the red brick tower that noted architect Patrick C. Keeley designed for the Romanesque Revival Church, St. Mary's, which is now a Benedictine Abbey Church and is located a block west of the former St. Bridget Church site, on the corner of High and William Streets.

Sacred Heart Church in Bloomfield is a redbrick church with white brick trim. Its handsome Romanesque tower is nicely elaborated and has a design far superior to the one that he, Jeremiah O'Rourke, designed for St. Bridget's Church. The interior of the church is not faced with plaster but honey colored glazed bricks carefully laid. For a photograph of the exterior of St. Bridget's Church see pg. 531, of Joseph M. Flynn's book, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN NEW JERSEY (PDF format on the internet). A photograph of the fašade of Sacred Heart Church appears on pg. 465 of the same work. Sorry for the Error. Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 6th Sep 2014 - 05:14 GMT

Bernard A. Flanagan-Sept. 5, 2014

City Noise,Re: Jeremiah O'Rourke, Architect

Dear friends:

The Historical Federal Buildings, web site gives us and interesting detail concerning the Federal Building/ U.S. Courthouse in Savannah, Georgia, which was probably designed during the tenure of George E. Edbrooke who was the supervising Architect of the U. S. Treasury Department. Edbrooke was succeeded by architect Jeremiah O' Rourke in 1893; however, it is O'Rourke's name that appears on the building's cornerstone. Also it is traditionally believed that the identical sculpted figure which ornaments each side of the north and south elevation of the building was modeled from a likeness of Mr. O'Rourke. Unfortunately, the photograph of Mr. O'Rourke that is most frequently seen on the internet is a ponderous Victorian horror that portrays him with a long forked beard. This image is a photo-copy of an over-inked illustration which appeared in the Newark Evening News in 1915, the year of his death.

Back to topic, The sculptured images on the Federal/U.S. Courthouse (renamed in honor of a Native American, Tomochichi, an important historical figure in the history of Savannah) can be identified with confidence as being based on an extant family photograph of Mr. O'Rourke which includes his wife (Elizbeth Dunn O'Rourke) and, at that time, their two sons, William Patrick and Joseph (See photograph facing page 112 of Brian Regan's masterfully written and researched book, Gothic Pride The Story of Building a Great Cathedral in Newark (The Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart)--Rutgers University Press, c. 2012.

Actually the sculptor who provided the models for the O'Rourke figures on the Tomochichi Federal Building and U. S. Court House gave him a rather pleasant face and a long overdue shave. He looks like an approachable and friendly government employee. If carefully examined the modeling of the hair around his forehead decidedly derives from the aforementioned photograph in the "Regan book."

If you wish, search the internet to see the sculpted image of Mr O'Rourke: Tomochichi Federal Building Image, Jeremiah O'Rourke. Also, Mr O'Rourke's image appears just above a pilaster between two round headed windows. Above his image are the letters, U.S. Mr. O' Rourke was proud of his Irish heritage and his
U. S. citizenship. He was a member of the American Irish Society founded in Boston, ca. 1905, whose goal was to bring to the attention of all Americans the major contributions that the American Irish made to the United States of America, accomplishments totally ignored or under reported by most of the historians of the nineteenth century and even later.

Respectfully submitted,

Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 8th Sep 2014 - 16:21 GMT

Dear Friends, (Sept. 8, 2014)

I just discovered this excellent but very brief videograph related to the magnificent Shantz Organ (9,513 pipes) which is housed in Newark's Landmark Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart (primary architect, Jeremiah O'Rourke,1833-1915). It runs for about four minutes; however, they are four minutes packed with excellent visuals and auricular treats. Among the visuals portrayed are the numerous sections of the organ whose multitudinous ranks are housed in the cathedral triforia,and hidden from public view, and a view of the Organ's principal console displayed in the sanctuary. Heard on the videograph, but not seen, is a soloist singing A MIGHTY FORTRESS IS OUR GOD to the accompaniment of music played on the cathedral organ by an unseen organist. Also heard are several peals of the Cathedral's bronze bells which amply illustrate their tonal quality.--Additionally, there is a zoom image of the vault above the crossing. It is one of the images of the cathedral's magnificent ceiling which has heretofore been rarely videographed due to poor interior lighting or due to the lack of an appropriate camera lens. The video closes with a excellent view of one of the four gargoyles which ornaments the west tower which houses the cathedral bells. Since "one picture is worth a thousand words,and no doubt an excellent videograph, worth several thousand, I needn't say more.(Search: Pipe Organ-Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart-1080P.)

As an aside, I would like to thank the videographer for providing us with this wonderful video and to thank Brian Regan, the Associate Director of New York's renowned Morgan Library, a graduate of Harvard, who wrote the definitive architectural and construction history of the Basilica: THE BUILDING OF A GREAT CATHEDRAL IN NEWARK. Also Thanks, Rutger's University Press for publishing such an important work which has earned itself, since its publication in 2012, a five star rating.


Bernard A. Flanagan,

Bernard A. Flanagan: 8th Sep 2014 - 16:33 GMT

Dear Friends:

In the above post I miswrote, so to speak. The correct title of Mr. Brian Regan's work which was Published by Rutgers' University Press (2012) is: GOTHIC PRIDE THE STORY OF BUILDING A GREAT CATHEDRAL IN NEWARK.

Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 17th Sep 2014 - 23:11 GMT

Bernard A. Flanagan: 17 Sept. 2014

Dear Friends:

I came across an internet post dating from 2006 which reports that Jeremiah O'Rourke, Architect (1833-1915) attended Barringer High School in Newark, and was a member of St. Michael's Parish. These errors are irksome, and for mental peace I have to correct them. Also April 2015 will mark the 100th anniversary of his death, so I am posting the few additional tidbits of "O'R" information that are currently flooding my mind.

Jeremiah O'Rourke was born in 1833, in Santry, a suburb of Dublin, Ireland and attended the Royal Dublin Society of Drawing, founded in the eighteenth century. During the time he was enrolled in this institution it transitioned to the Government School of Design. Shortly after completing his studies, he was about seventeen at the time, he emigrated from Ireland, which was still suffering from the horrific consequences of the Potato Famine, to the United States. He settled in Newark, New Jersey where he resided with his brother Laurence and other members of the O'Rourke family. They lived in a humble frame structure on Adams Street in the "Iron Bound" section of the city,so named because of the numerous railroad tracks which surround it. Here it is of interest to note that Laurence O'Rourke was a carpenter, and probably was an employee of Jonathan V. Nichols a premier Newark Builder and prosperous businessman.

Upon his arrival in Newark Jeremiah was employed by the aforementioned Nichols, who a few weeks earlier had written a letter to the (Newark) Daily Advertiser noting that no one had responded to a city advertisement requesting that plans be submitted for a proposed Newark firehouse. After spending some years in drawing plans for Mr. Nichols, Jeremiah established his own architectural practice, a practice which he considered to be the first such practice established in the city. Also, it was probably around this time that he relocated from the Adams street residence to 110 Plane Street, (now University Avenue)the residence of his former employer, who also relocated to a new address. At the time of his death in 1915, Jeremiah O'Rourke lived in a three-story red brick building with brownstone stoop and trim pieces above its various windows which was located at 15 Burnet Street. I do not know whether or not if Mr. O'Rourke designed this edifice. Its exterior and interior were humbly designed--no ornate details, and was located about three blocks from his beloved parish church, St. Patrick's Pro-Cathedral whose beautiful Gothic Revival Rectory, located to the left of the cathedral was designed by him, as were the convent and schools. O'Rourke also served as a parish trustee. The O'Rourke residence on Burnet Street was not too distant from St. Michaels Hospital whose original building, including a handsome chapel on the second floor, and additions were designed by him.


Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 19th Sep 2014 - 07:06 GMT

Dear Friends: Sept. 19, 2014

This is the thread concerning the 14 cast bronze Bells of Newark, New Jersey's Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart, (Principal architect, Jeremiah O'Rourke) that I should have referenced in my post of 8th Sept. 2014: Sacred Heart- "The Bells"-You tube. The tune which they are ringing out is, "Immaculate Mary" an ever popular and traditional Marian Hymn. The bells are hung in the west tower, the Tower of Mary. They were manufactured by the Pontifical Foundry, Daciano Colbachini e Figli (And Sons) of Padua Italy, which was established in 1765. The bells are hung stationary and rung electrically.

Bernard A. Flanagan: 25th Sep 2014 - 21:14 GMT

Dear Friends: 26 Sept. 2014

Those who are interested in brownstone residences and churches built in New Jersey during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries will especially enjoy reading this splendid circular (NEW JERSEY BROWNSTONE) posted on the internet-See thread, [PDF}New Jersey Geological and Water Survey Information..., published by the State of New Jersey. It describes the stone's properties, identifies the major stone quarries in the state, and gives us a generous offering of photographs which portray significant New Jersey structures constructed of New Jersey brownstone. The photograph of St. Mary's Church in Wharton, N.J. (A Jeremiah O'Rourke design-erected in 1872) is especially lovely. Of equal interest is the photograph of its cornerstone, and the small pointed window with brownstone trim to the right of the entrance. The brownstone for this structure was quarried in Little Falls, New Jersey. Also portrayed in the circular is Newark's Landmark Presbyterian Church (Old First Church) built in the 1790s, and located on the east side of Broad Street, just a short walk south of Market Street. The stone for "Old First" was quarried in Paterson. Also there are a few fine illustrations of New Jersey quarries. This circular is an important research document and will increase the readers knowledge of brownstone and how it is quarried. The circular also acquaints the reader with its major enemy, the freeze/thaw weather cycle. Also I was surprised to learn that when brownstone is quarried it is pink; however, it dries to the brown color which we are familiar seeing. And, if I may, a point of interest: During the early construction of the Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart, Jeremiah O'Rourke was criticized for not using Newark brownstone in his structure. O'Rourke selected Pennsylvania brownstone for the basement walls, a stone that resisted weathering and had an impressive crushing strength.


Bernie Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 29th Sep 2014 - 20:21 GMT

Re: Harry's posts of 29 Sep 2014

Post #1---Dear Harry: Your brief rant against Catholic beliefs and institutions I found unsettling. If you spoke to a truly informed Roman Catholic, you would not have written it. Such a post does not promote the brotherhood or the ecumenism that the significant and informed religious leaders of the world are attempting to achieve. Harry, take this motto as your own: "Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me."-- I know it wasn't your intention to offend anyone but rather to publish theological views strongly held by yourself and Martin Luther. AN ASIDE: The Borgia Popes, did the reputation of the Church and Christianity great harm; however, their family did produce a great saint, St. Francis Borgia, whose patron saint was the great Medieval reformer, St. Francis of Assisi. In our own time we have good Pope Francis who brings great honor to the name of Christ and to the Church by "living the Gospel" and giving good Christian example.

Post #2 Harry, using a bit of creativity the "parrot joke" could have been revised. Why does the person of Jesus have to be compared with the dog breed, Rotweiler, a breed known for its ferocity.

How about this version:

A burglar broke into a home where an elderly parrot resided. When the burglar began stealing, the parrot said, "Don't do that! " The burglar responded, "Why not?" The bird then parroted: "Help Police! "Jailbird", "Jailbird", "Jailbird."

Bless you and yours,

Bernie Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 1st Oct 2014 - 18:50 GMT

Re: Post dated, 29 Sept. 2014, 20:21 GMT

The sentence containing the phrase "Borgia Popes" should have been written: Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia)(1492-1503) did the reputation of the Church and the Papacy great harm; however, St. Francis Borgia, (1510-1572) who was related to the Borgia family, was elected the Father General of the Jesuit order in 1565 and
because of his holy example and efficient leadership was proclaimed a saint a century after his death--he is known as the Second Founder of the Jesuit Order.

Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 1st Oct 2014 - 22:07 GMT

Re: Harry E's Post ( 1st Oct. 2014)

Dear Harry: Thanks for the note which was a thoughtful gesture on your part and certainly was much appreciated. Also, you need to be commended for taking the time out of your busy day to write it, not too many people would do that these days- Double thanks!!

Bernie Flanagan

Dear Bernard A. Flanagan: 2nd Oct 2014 - 15:01 GMT

Judge not lest ye be judged yourself!

It was a joke. Give your "holier than thou" act a rest!

By The Way......: 2nd Oct 2014 - 15:02 GMT

I'm pretty sure Harry E is a Jew.

Bernard A. Flanagan: 2nd Oct 2014 - 18:40 GMT

Re: post Dated 2nd Oct, 2014-15:01 GMT.

Dear anonymous: The Point that I was making was that it was unnecessary to pair the name of Jesus with that of a Rotwiler, just to get a laugh. Your comment, "Judge not lest ye be Judged, yourself" constitutes an implied judgment, you are assuming that I was judging. No, to do that would be to assume God's role, I would not offend Him by doing that. Also, isn't your comment, "Give your Holier than thou" act a rest" a bit judgmental. And please do not dismiss my views of your post(s) as being judgmental; there is a difference between fraternal correction and making judgments. Peace! I needn't say more, and I will make no future responses to your posts.


Bernard A. Flanagan

Dear Bernard A. Flanagan: 3rd Oct 2014 - 19:01 GMT

I get your point, its quite a simple point to understand. However, I don't agree with it, ergo I don't respect it much. But congrats on referencing "judgment" 4 times in one single sentence!

Fraternal correction and "judgment" aside, I find it humorous that you seem to speak for God. This is why I called you "holier than thou". I know you religious types think you're on some kind of blessed mission talking about stuff like this the way that you are, but... ultimately, who cares what you think? How do you know that "God" is even out there, or that "God" is a "He"?! Who are you to assume "God's role" by jumping to "His" defense?

With all due respect... you sure sound like a religious-zealot blowhard.


carmella politan: 8th Oct 2014 - 03:00 GMT

Thank YOU for posting the very interesting stories of The Convent of Cloistered Nuns. Since I lived on the same street, I visited the chapel often & also purchased beautiful mass cards. Wonderful childhood memories also of St Antoninus Church. Keep it going!

Bernard A. Flanagan: 8th Oct 2014 - 19:19 GMT

October 8, 2014

Dear Carmella Polita:

Father Benedect Groeschel the founder of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, died the evening of October 3d, 2014). In addition to being a Franciscan Friar, he was a psychologist, noted author, and was included frequently in the programming of cable TV Channel, EWTN. A Mass of Resurrection will be celebrated at Newark's Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart on Friday, 11 Oct. 2014, at 11:AM--EWTN will televise the service. It is not a ticketed event, so arrive early, should you wish to attend. His remains will then be taken to the former Dominican Convent, now the Monastery of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal,--His interment will be a private event.

And if I may share this: I had the wonderful experience of attending the consecration of the Bishop Serrateli of the Diocese of Paterson, N.J. It was held at the Newark Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart about ten years ago. After the conclusion of the liturgical ceremonies, those who attended were invited to a reception at the Archdiocesan center across the street from the Basilica. On the way over I saw Father Groeshel. My twin sister who was with me suddenly walked over to him and asked, "Father would you please say a prayer for my brother, he had cancer surgery." Father said to her, "What is your brother's name?" I was deeply touched by his reply.


Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 10th Oct 2014 - 06:45 GMT

Bernard A. Flanagan: Oct. 10, 2014

Dear Friends:

During my teen years (1950s) I had the wonderful experience of attending Mass and the weekly Holy Hours held every Thursday evening in St. Antoninus Church located at 337 South Orange Avenue, Newark, New Jersey 07103. At that time the parish was staffed by the Order of Preachers (the Dominicans). Their excellently celebrated liturgies and magnificently crafted sermons were greatly appreciated by the parishioners and non-parishioners who flocked to them. I especially enjoyed listening to the sermons which for the most part were usually well delivered, the beauty of the windows, the warm glow of the candles and the smell of fragrant incense--I was also impressed by the friars who wore their monastic garb with great honor because they respected the God they served and the founder of the order, St. Dominic (Domingo de Guzman (1170-1221). Also not too distant from St. Antoninus Church housed in the former monastery of the Dominican Sisters of Perpetual Adoration (a Jeremiah O'Rourke design) is the MOST BLESSED SACRAMENT FRIARY which now is home to the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, an order of Friars noted for their outreach to the poor and downtrodden of the city of Newark.
Since acquiring the monastery they have made major repairs, and restored the monastery and its lovely chapel to its former beauty. For those, who worshiped in the chapel decades ago, and for the thousands of persons who wondered what the interior of the Medieval looking brownstone monastery looked like, they need look no further. Search the internet: Most Blessed Sacrament Friary CFR- You Tube. There are excellent views of the monks and their chapel, the public chapel, various rooms located throughout the edifice which are modestly furnished and whose walls are painted white. There are also a few photographs of beautiful flowers to add to one's enjoyment while viewing the video. Check out the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal's Website for information concerning visits to the monastery or it public chapel.


Bernard A. Flanagan

anon ( 18th Jan 2015 - 05:41 GMT

My mother bought hers at a local thrift shop.Allthough in hers the colors have faded somewhat it's the same painting.In the back of the paintings it has the same "W.O.H. 1923 New York" and it has piece of the brown framing paper and the original wood frame.In the eighties a wedding reception party was held at my mothers house for her cousin who was a member of the Caridad del Cobre church shrine church choir .During the party one of the church member attending the party was standing in front of the painting as my mother walked pass him and heard him saying to himself "look what this people have here"like thinking to himself that we didn't know what we had.Besides the great religious and faith value that it has we would like to know was is it worth.If someone knows please email me your response at

Bernard A. Flanagan: 29th Jan 2015 - 16:11 GMT

Dear Friends:

Recently I had the privilege of attending Mass at Seton Hall University's beautiful brownstone chapel, an early design of Newark's noted architect, Jeremiah O'Rourke. The exterior was repointed and brownstone blocks that were in advanced stages of disintegration were replaced. The interior renovation--not wreckovation--is splendid. The sanctuary is furnished with splendid "Gothic Revival" appointments and the statues of Jesus and Mary, at the foot of the side aisles are truly of museum quality. Another one of the chapel's visual treats is the open timber ceiling. The colors and stenciled patterns that ornament it are truly an architectural feast for the eyes of the lover of liturgical art and design. Like the great Designer of Gothic Revival Churches, Augustus Welby Pugin, those who decorated the interior of this building and paid for it wanted the chapel to have a remarkably refurbished interior that would speak to the students of the transcendence of God, and the truths of the Roman Catholic Faith as well, and one that would feed the student's need to have something beautiful in their midst.--The open timber ceiling is exquisite and the restored mural painted by Gonippo Raggi of the Immaculate Conception (the Virgin Mary) is impressive.


Bernard A. Flanagan

David Arthur: 2nd Feb 2015 - 20:03 GMT

Since so many people already have this painting, I will just add that I also have one that came from my mother's family and is still in good shape. It too has the brown paper still attached and hung for many years in my family home.


chick: 2nd Feb 2015 - 22:17 GMT

there is a Matt Flanagan on Rutgers team, any relation ?

Bernard A. Flanagan: 4th Feb 2015 - 02:03 GMT

Dear Friends:

Those interested in American Ecclesiastical architects and the buildings designed by them might be interested in reading the obituary for Jeremiah O'Rourke, Newark's noted diocesan architect who died on April 22, 1915, and who was the principal architect of Newark's noted Landmark Church, the Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart and who served for a brief time as the Supervising architect of the U. S. Treasury Department during the second term of President Cleveland. Those who may wish to write essays or write informative articles concerning this architect should consult Brian Regan's (Harvard Graduate) definitive architectural history of the Construction of the Cathedral Basilica, Gothic Pride the Story of Building a Great Cathedral in Newark. It is a valuable research tool and gives us detailed and interesting information concerning Mr. O'Rourke and his architectural career. Also photgraphs of Mr. O'Rourke are quite rare, and Mr. Regan located a fine Photograph of Mr. O'Rourke taken about 1864, which he included in his book. Jeremiah is portrayed with his wife, Elizabeth Dunn O'Rourke, the daughter of a prominent leather manufacturer in the city of Newark, and the two children they had at that time, William Patrick, and Joseph. Mr. Regan acquired the photograph from Helen Werlein O'Rourke who was married to William Patrick O'Rourke, Jeremiah's eldest son, who was a member of the firm, Jeremiah O'Rourke and Sons, and later the Superintendent of Buildings for the city of Newark. William Patrick died somewhat early in their marriage, and his wife later remarried (Denig) and relocated to Germany with her husband who was a prominent businessman. She has an exquisitely beautiful overview of her life posted with her obituary on the internet--Thanks to Mr. Regan this great photograph of O'Rourke as a family man has been preserved for posterity. Below is the article concerning Mr. O'Rourke's death which appeared in the Newark Evening News of Friday April 23, 1915:

Jeremiah O'Rourke, one of the best known ecclesiastical architects in this country, designer of the Cathedral of the Sacred Heart in this City and of the Church of St. Paul the Apostle in New York, died last evening at his home, 45 Burnet Street.

Mr. O'Rourke was supervising architect of the Treasury Department at Washington under President Cleveland. He was in his 82nd year. Death was due to arteriosclerosis. He had been kept to the house for the last six weeks, previous to which, although ill, he had gone to his office regularly.

The funeral arrngements for which are not completed will be held Monday morning, from St. Patrick's Cathedral, with a solemn high requiem Mass. It is likely that a nephew, Rev. John H. O'Rourke of New York, will officiate. Interment will take place in Holy Sepulchre cemetery.

Mr. O'Rourke was born in Dublin on February 6, 1833, and was the son of Bernard and Ann O'Rourke, members of a family long prominent in the affairs of the Irish capital. He grew to young manhood in his native city, attending the Christian Brothers school and later the Government School of Design where he learned his profession.

Thanks for reading this,

Sincerely Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 4th Feb 2015 - 06:30 GMT

Re: Post, chick: 2nd Feb. 2015-02:03


Bernard A. Flanagan: 4th Feb 2015 - 15:04 GMT

Dear Friends:

Concerning my post dated 4th Feb. 2015 02:03 GMT Please Note these corrections:

The correct spelling of Helen O'Rourke Denig's maiden name is, Werrlein. Her father, the eldest son of Newark's noted architect Jeremiah O'Rourke died when she was four years old; the reference to her relocating to Germany is incorrect; however; she lived in Switzerland from the years 1959-65. For a delightful overview of this woman's most interesting life which tells us about the education of her children in Switzerland,and her linguistic abilities and other achievements please Google: Helen Denig Obituary-Bridgewater, N.J-- (Helen's second husband's name was Denig.)

Sorry! And respectfully,

Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 15th Feb 2015 - 02:39 GMT

Dear Friends:

Just came across this subject entry on the internet: Charles O'Rourke-The Death of a Beloved Apostle. It is a loving tribute written by Dorothy Day, noted social activist, former atheist, and a convert to Roman Catholicism, who spent forty-five years of her life in the Catholic Worker Movement which she founded to address the needs of the poor. Among her many volunteers was Charles O'Rourke, the youngest son of Newark's noted Architect, Jeremiah O'Rourke (1833-1915). Dorothy believed Charles to be an excellent engineer and a man possessed of sterling qualities, and said of him, "There was something Godly about "Charlie". She also said this of him:"He loved poetry and opera and people and walking trips. He had been all over the world, and there was no place you could mention but that Charles had been there... .

Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 24th Oct 2015 - 23:34 GMT

Dear Friends:

Recently Revelant Radio (Newark, N. J./ New York- 1430 on the AM Dial) broadcast two excellent sermons, that were preached at the Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart (A Jeremiah O'Rourke design! Unfortunately I was greatly distracted by the excessive amplification of their voices which caused unwanted reverberations--they were not slap echoes. I also noticed this same problem during one of the daily Masses celebrated and telecast from the Newly renovated St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York. And to a lesser degree of intensity, during a telecast Mass from the Newly renovated cathedral of St. Agnes at Rockville Center in New York. The problem at the Newark Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart especially disturbed me. When that Cathedral was completed in 1954 they spent thousands and thousands of extra dollars to install Cathedral vaults comprised of Indiana limestone arches with compartments paved with acoustically treated Guastavino tile to prevent unwanted sound reverberations. The system served the Archdiocese well for over half a century. It wasn't until a new sound system was installed that this reverberartion problem was introduced. This problem also exists in the recently renovated St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City,there were no unwanted reverberations previous to the renovations. Perhaps at this writing the problem has been fixed. Also to a lesser degree there is a reverberation problem in the newly renovated St. Agnes Cathedral, Rockville, center, New York.

An Aside: Hearing aids are extremely sensitive these days, sound overload is painful to listen to and hearing aid wearers have to turn them off, thus rendering some totally deaf.


To understand the problem, please search the following:

Primacoustic and read the topic, The Problem in Larger Rooms, Solutions. The following information is an extract from the article:

"When you increase the sound level in a highly reverberant space, the room quickly becomes overexcited and exceeds the room's ability to naturally dissipate the energy.Echo on top of echo elongates reverb and the sound becomes an annoying nightmare."


Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 26th Oct 2015 - 00:24 GMT

Dear Friends:

Sorry for the repeated information regarding the two New York cathedrals in the closing sentences of my previous letter.


Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 26th Oct 2015 - 04:36 GMT

Dear Friends:

I just came across a mean spirited internet review of a Eucharistic Celebration (Mass) which was held in the Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart some time ago.

The reviewer evaluated the Liturgical Service which was beautifully and reverently executed almost as if he were reviewing a third rate play. Each comment within the article followed a question or a topic heading. Following the word CAST,for example, the name of one of our excellent Bishops who is a fine theologian and homilist was listed. Also the reviewer noted that the sermon was only fifteen minutes long.

Traditionally Roman Catholic sermons are not long. The Mass is comprised of the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Generally our Sunday Mass(Liturgy) lasts about one hour or an hour and a half.

Regarding short sermons, during the great immigrations of European Roman Catholics to the United States, the length of sermons had to be curtailed. Some of the churches had about seven or more Masses scheduled on a Sunday morning, so time was a problem. During the Middle ages,the great preachers could go on for hours. After the Protestant Reformation emphasis was placed on the singing of hymns the reading of the Holy Bible, and the delivery of well prepared sermons containing informative Biblical commentary. Also in the mean spirited article there was a negative comment about the Cathedral Basilica's sound system, which I think was a bit exaggerated; however, I asked a long time member of the cathedral parish about the old sound system, and in their opinion they thought it had seen better days. So if I gave anyone the impression that the Newark Archdiocese purchased a sound system for the Cathedral that they did not need I apologize for that. My complaint concerning the rather recently installed sound system is simply that the sound levels produced by the speakers should be professionally regulated to prevent sound overload which causes unwanted reverberations. I attended an important Mass at the Cathedral Basilica within the last year. There were two lectors. Before the beginning of Mass one came out and spoke into the pulpit asking a clergyman standing not to distant from the pulpit "Can you hear me?" He responded "Yes". However, I thought that she was speaking too loudly into the mike; however, I thought that the sound level at mid-nave was much louder than what he was hearing. This lector was followed by another, a soft spoken African American woman whose voice was beautifully amplified and who wasn't speaking like she was out in a stadium somewhere.

Also at that event, I remember entering the cathedral about ten minutes before the beginning of the liturgy and the organist was playing beautiful music not too soft and not too loud, but when it came time to accompany the leader of song who was using the ambo mike, the organ accompaniment was so loud that it drowned out his beautiful voice-- One doesn't need administrative decisions to resolve these sound problems, I think they can be solved in a mannerly fashion at the lower levels by persons involved with the music ministry or liturgical preparations. Also, It is my understanding that some lap top computers can measure sound decibels, and that hand held sound measuring devices are rather comparatively inexpensive. The National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington DC doesn't have these sound problems, nor does the Cathedral of St. John The Divine. Perhaps their liturgists are in "control of the store," so to speak, and they know the proper sound decibels that are appropriate for a liturgical service and the space in which it is celebrated. Some organists believe louder is better but that attitude is not particularly appropriate for Sacred Music--Certainly great vibes are in order for the Triumphant March from the opera Aida. Also from time to time in the various parishes that I have visited over the years, the cantor sings a hymn after Communion as if giving a performance and the congregants spontaneously respond by clapping, an inappropriate secular response, to say the least. This is a phenomenon that I have observed comparatively recently. This problem is easily solved: The cantor could be asked to sing using a softer voice, and the celebrant at the conclusion of the Mass, after giving the dismissal, could invite the congregation to show their appreciation for the choir, organist and others, by inviting them to give them a round of applause. It amazes me that some clergy and those involved with things liturgical don't teach the congregation, in a non-offensive way, "Church manners" and liturgical etiquette.-- One observation that Father Groeschel of EWTN (Eternal Word Television Net work)fame observed about African Americans in his Brooklyn Parish, was that on Sunday they dress appropriately for Church attendance. This traditional custom should be, like Jesus Christ, resurrected.


Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 30th Dec 2015 - 12:13 GMT

Dear Friends:

For a wonderful visual and auricular experience Google: Holiday Concert @ the Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart. This video recording begins with a musical rendition of JOY TO THE WORLD while images of the narthex screen,views into the cross vault of the medieval ceiling, and views into the vaults of the ceiling above the sanctuary are shown. Lovers of Gothic Revival Architecture will appreciate these images which were recorded within the context of a brightly lit cathedral. Here it may be of interest to note that the cathedral basilica as envisioned by Jeremiah O'Rourke (1833-1915) did not have a stone ceiling. The arches of the vaults were to be of hard wood and the paving of the vault compartments done in plaster. Ironically Renwick envisioned a stone vaulted ceiling for St. Patrick's cathedral in New York; however, those plans were never realized. Persons interested in Gothic Revival Architecture and the history of Cathedral building in the U. S. during the 19th and early 20th centuries will enjoy reading: GOTHIC PRIDE the Building of a Great Cathedral in Newark, written by Harvard graduate, Brian Regan who is also the Deputy Director of New York's renowned Morgan Library and Museum. It is the definitive construction history of the great Newark cathedral, and is one of those books that when you pick it up you don't want to put it down until you have finished reading it. It was published by River Gate Books, an imprint of Rutgers University Press New Brunswick, New Jersey, and London. c. 2012. Walsh Library at Seton Hall University South Orange, New Jersey, The Newark Public Library, and the New Jersey Historical Society all hold copies. Thanks for reading this.

Also, here it is appropriate to pay homage to Newark Cathedral's director of music ministries, Mr. John Miller. The music performed under his direction was most beautiful. He produced a memorable event to mark the 45th anniversary of the Newark Cathedral Basilica's Annual Christmas Carol sing.


Bernard A. Flanagan

Bernard A. Flanagan: 12th Mar 2016 - 03:34 GMT

Dear Friends

As a youth the beautiful churches designed by Irish Immigrant and Newark Architect Jeremiah O'Rourke added a great deal of meaning and pleasure to my life; however, unlike Mr. O'Rourke I never had the good fortune to see Ireland and appreciate its beauty, visit her Romanesque and Gothic Ruins, and enjoy her rolling hills memorable coastal scenes, and exceptionally fine singing and music. However, today I discovered this remarkable CD on You Tube which is almost one hour long, which in a manner of speaking gave me that opportunity. It was such a joyful and beautiful production that I felt morally compelled to bring it to the attention of my dear friends who read these CITY NOISE posts. It is hard to believe that something so beautiful is still being produced in a world that seems not to care if it destroys itself. Also the many High Crosses erected on the burial grounds near many of the ruined abbeys that are portrayed in the CD brought to mind the grave of Jeremiah O' Rourke located in Newark's Holy Sepulcher Cemetery near the Central Avenue Entrance where similarly designed crosses mark many of the nearby graves. Please Read below:

Google: You Tube Masters of Chant Moment of Peace in Ireland


At first I was expecting to see Modern Day Benedictine monks in some Gothic Revival Monastery in Ireland, dressed in monastic attire with cowl covered heads. was I surprised: I was treated to a vista of ten men wearing monastic inspired attire, five were dressed in crimson and five wore garments of bluish purple. all wore hoods and their arms for the most part were always reverently folded and at times their hands were joined in prayerful attitudes. The beauty of this lovely choreographed production was that when these men were singing never did you get the impression that they were singing to bring attention to themselves. You felt that they were sharing a cultural treasure with you. Moreover, the way that the choreographer positioned the singers at the various cultural sites which dot the Irish coastline or within the framework of abbey ruins was beyond brilliant. Also seen were beautiful vistas of greenery,golden plant life and energetic waves crashing along the Irish coastline as well as vistas of wide expanses of the Atlantic ocean. How sad the Irish Immigrants of the late 1840s must have been to say farewell to family and friends with little hope of returning to Erin's shores to see them once again.

One of the memorable features of this particular You Tube offering were the splendid HD close ups of monastic ruins, some shown in the evening partially lit by firelight. One of the excellent scenes was a view of the singers arranged in one of the corners of a famous abbey ruin close to a wall and below a vaulted aisle. The dark evening sky, made one forget for the moment that they were singing within a ruin and not within a functioning parish church. There were also views of thistles flowers, and an occasional sheep or two or three. This CD showed Irish Culture at its best. The choreographer of this work paid homage to the totality of God's creation within an Irish setting while not being insensitive to lingering Roman Catholic traditions.

I think that it would be an excellent idea for those who wish to celebrate their Irish heritage on this upcoming St. Patrick's Day to add viewing this CD to their list of things to do.

Thank you so much for letting me share these impressions with you.


Bernard A. Flanagan

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